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Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by dvtrn »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

mentally ill person

How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by doall »

executesorder66 wrote: post #53
doall wrote: post #47

In an Japanese article the guy says that he was kicked out of Sotobanari island after becoming famous for showing up in a Japanese TV show; many tourists came to the island, the relatives of the owner of the property wanted to do some farming in the property, and some people were concerned that some other street people will do the same thing like him. For these reasons he was asked to leave the island. If you want to…

I don't speak Japanese. Can you explain what you mean by "the property"? Is the property the island? And does someone else own the island, and they want to farm on the island?

In the Japanese article it just says something like "the owner of the property" and it isn't written in detail.

After reading an another Japanese article, it is written that a Taiwanese bought the whole Sotobanari island around 1985 to pray for the many Taiwanese coal miners who died in the island, but the owner was unfortunately killed in Taiwan in 2013.

I think that the relatives of this owner now own the island and wanted to do some farming on the island.

http://business.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/world/20130430/247368...

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by ljf »

Of you have the time (it is only short) read 'An Island to Oneself' by Tom Neale https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Neale

Great book and a fascinating insight to living alone.

Another worthy solitude read is Shrimpy by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Acton about sailing the world on a very small boat.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by [deleted] »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

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Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by dapole »

dvtrn wrote: post #61
ebbv wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner vs the first comment which while a beautiful sentiment doesn’t really take practicalities like liability into consideration.

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Post by aaron695 »

justaguyhere wrote: post #49

There was another story few months ago - someone had made a Instagram account for a beautiful tree, it became famous and one day it was cut down. Moral of the story - if we find someone unique and if that someone wants to be left alone, then we should just respect their wishes and not publicize. I dread the day when someone finds and publishes the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto for you know, a "good story". I hope it d…

That's not really the moral.

The person who found the tree got their value from making the tree famous for being famous. They created a beautiful thing by Instagraming it. It was never unique other than the fame....which leads to the part of being cut down which is also part of it's story. And it's journey is not over. https://kottke.org/17/09/rip-the-broccoli-tree

I'd stick with respect peoples privacy as you say. And don't ruin exploration for others, not everything has to be slashdotted.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by dahart »

executesorder66 wrote: post #58
grzm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The island (or the part he’s occupying) would seem to be the property, as that would be the common understanding in English. Is there another interpretation that would make sense to you?

That's what I was guessing. But since I don't understand Japanese, I can't read the article to check. But looking at photos of the island, it doesn't look like a good place to farm. So that's what led me to believe the island and the property might not be the same thing.

> since I don’t understand Japanese, I can’t read the article to check.

Sure you can! https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

* Does my comment seem flippant or 100% unhelpful or something? I’m super confused why it’s getting downvoted to death. I understand the parent might have been asking for nuance of translation, but I meant this to be helpful; you can in fact get a pretty good sense for what an article says by reading via a translation, this resource does allow you to check yourself rather than say I don’t speak X. Now I’m sorry for offering a suggestion, even if it’s obvious.

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Post by glangdale »

dapole wrote: post #65
dvtrn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner vs the first comment which while a beautiful sentiment doesn’t really take practicalities like liability into consideration.

Finally, someone creating a scenario so we can see things from the much-neglected perspective of a land owner.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

That's a perfect explanation of the problem with being able to monopolize land.
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