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Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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May as well be, as via the EEA we seem to adopt more directives from Brussels than some full members...

Well, speaking as a Brit, allow us to demonstrate Norway++ We shall finish up subject to the full set of EU obligations and privileges, but everyone shall strongly agree that the UK is not part of the EU. No no no. Just in the various unions and so forth, matching all the rules and that sort of thing. Not part of the EU. Nu uh! :)

Plausible denEUbility?

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Microsoft _still_ does not let me turn off "Basic usage data/telemetry" being sent to them. I tried to call them about it a month ago and they hung up on me. The one computer in my house running windows is still blocked with this popup.

You need Win10 Enterprise LTSB, even Pro is not enough to get out of Microsoft telemetry capture, including crash dumps (memory with sensitive info), keystrokes, screen grabs.

My guess: Will probably stay that way unless they suffer a major breach an this data starts showing up in wrong places.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Page 14: [edit: number corrected, thanks] > As the screenshots below illustrate, the Facebook GDPR popup requires users to go into “Manage data settings” to turn off ads based on data from third parties. If the user simply clicks “Accept and continue”, the setting is automatically turned on. This is not privacy by default. Beautiful! A minimal demonstration of a clear violation of the principal of data protection by…

Note that Facebook still refuses to let you opt out of personalised advertising based on Facebook activity. This is the most blatant malcompliance with GDPR IMO, when will data protection authorities start fining FB?

> This is the most blatant malcompliance with GDPR IMO, when will data protection authorities start fining FB?

The GDPR fans on HN have said over and over again that GDPR wouldn't result in instant fines, that companies would be given a warning and an opportunity to make changes. We'll soon find out if that's true or not.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft _still_ does not let me turn off "Basic usage data/telemetry" being sent to them. I tried to call them about it a month ago and they hung up on me. The one computer in my house running windows is still blocked with this popup.

You need Win10 Enterprise LTSB, even Pro is not enough to get out of Microsoft telemetry capture, including crash dumps (memory with sensitive info), keystrokes, screen grabs.

Windows 10 Enterprise is enough to disable tracking, you don't need LTSB for that (for those who don't know, LTSB/LTSC is a version of Windows without "modern" apps, like the Store or Edge)

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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I was expecting "dark patterns" to be a hyperbole but these are clear violations of GDPR. This will probably catch public attention when the press gets hold of it and makes the screen shots more accessible (not hidden deep down in a PDF).

The press gets hold of it and realises that they're littered with Facebook and Google integrations, their consent policy is little better and then they decide that they're going to publish this? The press has been suckered into this whole mess in its sacrifice to keep revenue from advertising

Sacrifice is an interesting word choice when discussing digital gods of internet advertising. Press could use the photos of recently discovered mass-sacrifice skulls in Mexico City.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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I was expecting "dark patterns" to be a hyperbole but these are clear violations of GDPR. This will probably catch public attention when the press gets hold of it and makes the screen shots more accessible (not hidden deep down in a PDF).

As I recently learned, a dark pattern is a term used to describe deliberately misleading or manipulative user interfaces.

This twitter-account includes many screenshots for illustration: https://twitter.com/darkpatterns

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Page 14: [edit: number corrected, thanks] > As the screenshots below illustrate, the Facebook GDPR popup requires users to go into “Manage data settings” to turn off ads based on data from third parties. If the user simply clicks “Accept and continue”, the setting is automatically turned on. This is not privacy by default. Beautiful! A minimal demonstration of a clear violation of the principal of data protection by…

That flow was really scummy. I remember going through it. The entry point was an email claiming you have to "read and accept the updated policies in order to continue using the site". And the first thing you're presented with was that two-choice "Manage data settings" / "Accept and continue", implying for the user who is less than extremely careful that if you don't "Accept and continue", you won't be able to use the…

By staying at Facebook your friends are explicitly supporting these and other scummy actions. They have decided to hold their noses and prioritise themselves over humanity.

Think less of them.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft _still_ does not let me turn off "Basic usage data/telemetry" being sent to them. I tried to call them about it a month ago and they hung up on me. The one computer in my house running windows is still blocked with this popup.

You need Win10 Enterprise LTSB, even Pro is not enough to get out of Microsoft telemetry capture, including crash dumps (memory with sensitive info), keystrokes, screen grabs.

It used to be that Pro was enough when you could still turn the telemetry off (I seem to remember that being a thing in W10's early days, correct me if I'm wrong). But in the end, why should the user have to spend even more for a feature set that they'll never use to just protect their privacy? Greed and dark patterns are not acceptable.
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