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The NSA’s Hidden Spy Hubs in Eight U.S. Cities

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It's not that hard to anonymize metadata. Just decide how thoroughly it must be done, and do what it takes. Plus a safety factor.

It is extremely hard to anonymize metadata, thats part of what makes its capture and analysis so insidious. Please tell me how i anonymize the metadata of where my cellphone is located, which the telco harvests from towers its connected to.

Put it in a bag, and don’t use it.

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Exactly. Once they know exactly what someone has done and how, it's relatively easy for them to find alternative means of "suspecting" that person of doing the crime and convince the judge to give them a warrant for exactly what they've already found through the illegal surveillance operation. I wish judges and defense attorneys would catch on to these tactics more quickly. The rate at which the prosecutors/FBI inven…

All this assumes the judiciary is fair. I feel otherwise. When Microsoft was about to be broken up an appellate judge overruled the prior judge. That judge went on to be the FISA secret court judge. Remember that the NSA Key was discovered around the same time[0]. So Microsoft was in bed with NSA prior to 1999 with a crypto key backdoor. They were helped by an future FISA judge.(Does that background look like a natio…

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I wonder what sort of performance impact this has on American internet speeds. At the very least, AT&T might be limited from upgrading their equipment until the NSA can revise their monitoring systems to keep up.

They’re using optical splitters, so the original signal passes though untouched. Because there’s no man in the middle, bandwidth shouldn’t be affected.

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The Seattle location - 1122 3rd Ave - is an interesting spot. According to Google Maps[0], next door is the FBI Seattle Division office. On street view, the building itself has a street-level office with signs for both AT&T and CenturyLink. 3rd Ave itself is slightly notorious - hosting the surface entrances for the Seattle bus tunnel, and a large number of inter-city routes, the area has a reputation for crime and t…

Its choice of location is nothing nefarious. It was built in the mid 1950s as a Pacific Northwest Bell telco central office, for phone lines serving downtown Seattle, in the days when dialtone rotary pulse-dial phone systems were the highest technology available. The PNW Bell phone system and its interconnections with the AT&T Long Lines system had some sites which were mutually shared with military AUTOVON and other…

> giant SAGE installations at McChord and in Moses Lake

What's that?

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The Seattle location - 1122 3rd Ave - is an interesting spot. According to Google Maps[0], next door is the FBI Seattle Division office. On street view, the building itself has a street-level office with signs for both AT&T and CenturyLink. 3rd Ave itself is slightly notorious - hosting the surface entrances for the Seattle bus tunnel, and a large number of inter-city routes, the area has a reputation for crime and t…

That's a few blocks away from the notorious 3rd and Pike area. All of 3rd downtown is a bit rough around the edges due to being a transit corridor with lots of transient riders and homeless people, but besides 3rd and Pike it's nowhere near as dangerous as similar places in rust-belt cities.

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Is 811 10th (NYCMNY54) even interesting from an Internet perspective any longer? Yes, the building is part of AT&T’s network (AS7018), but as far as I’m aware, no peering occurs here at all. I’d look for equivalent shady racks or rooms at 60 Hudson, 111 8th and 25 Broadway. Maybe the comfortable relationship between NSA and at&t are more the driver for the location, and the fiber taps are all backhauled here. From a…

I used to be in this building all the time, lots of companies colo'd their setups in the building. I know Forbes did, as well as other companies. The building had security but was not incredibly secure.

https://www.business.att.com/content/productbrochures/coloca...

Our servers there went through AT&T networks. Some companies I worked for co-located at Telehouse centers where you had a host of upstream options (including multiple options).

Stephen Colbert's studio was next door to the building when he was doing the Colbert Report 3-4 years ago, I used to see him walking around from time to time.

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Its choice of location is nothing nefarious. It was built in the mid 1950s as a Pacific Northwest Bell telco central office, for phone lines serving downtown Seattle, in the days when dialtone rotary pulse-dial phone systems were the highest technology available. The PNW Bell phone system and its interconnections with the AT&T Long Lines system had some sites which were mutually shared with military AUTOVON and other…

> giant SAGE installations at McChord and in Moses Lake What's that?

SAGE was a late 1950's-60's computerized air defense system: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Enviro...

There used to be some SAGE equipment at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. I don't know if it's still there or not, but it was definitely interesting to see. The "light gun" user interface and the control consoles have a really pleasing aesthetic.

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No its not. And I fail to understand why this keeps coming up. The gold standard tied fiscal and monetary policy to an arbitrary commodity: gold. Whereas value exists beyond the commodity itself. The gold standard had all sorts of unintended consequences and is not fit for a modern economy. What is perhaps more worrying is common currency. The Euro has lead to a lot more trouble than it was worth, Frankly speaking.

I am talking about why we got off the gold standard though.

Yup, at least in part to fund our military operations in S.E. Asia (Viet Nam, etc.)

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I'm struggling to find the new information here. We've known for years through the New York Times and others that AT&T helps the NSA. We've known for close to a hundred years about AT&T Long Lines networks and hubs for that network. It's only basic logic to put the two together and know that the NSA uses AT&T's hubs. What's new here?

This is not new in the sense that a whistle-blower revealed back in the mid-2000's (as I recall) that AT&T was working with the NSA to illegally bulk collect all internet traffic. The problem is that even though this is all public record lying government officials continue to dismiss the obvious truth as "conspiracy theories" and so it becomes necessary to prove the same points over and over again in excruciating det…

I think you are talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Exposed in 2006...it was a fucking huge deal at the time.

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Anyone remember this from 2006? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

I guess they just expanded, but the basic facts here are not new.

"the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic."

AND

Klein claims he was told that similar black rooms are operated at other facilities around the country.

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