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The NSA’s Hidden Spy Hubs in Eight U.S. Cities

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Thanks for the link. Doesn't seem to address my contention that the US has unique levels of access. I assume that all countries spy on their own citizens, but NSA is uniquely positioned to get traffic at a global scale.

That article has details about their implementation Nationwide. It's very similar to the CALEA requirements in the US.

Please read my posts carefully before responding. You are talking at, not to me.

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I’d love to see the intercept publish the equivalent for China, Russia, etc. It feels the press has very overindexed into the NSA.

It's not a secret in the West, or even in China, that there's a "Great Firewall" which surveils and regulates all internet access. It's just America that pretends it doesn't have a secret police.

It is ironic that the "democracy dies in the dark" people still won't report on this even though it has been common knowledge and public record for over a decade.

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One wonders if a CDN might advertise, "we promise once your data enters our network at our edge locations outside of the US, it does not traverse any AT&T networks while reaching your server inside the US". Same with cloud companies' private networks across regions.

OVH already markets its data centers as operating "outside of any reach of US infrastructure."

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The Seattle location - 1122 3rd Ave - is an interesting spot. According to Google Maps[0], next door is the FBI Seattle Division office. On street view, the building itself has a street-level office with signs for both AT&T and CenturyLink.

3rd Ave itself is slightly notorious - hosting the surface entrances for the Seattle bus tunnel, and a large number of inter-city routes, the area has a reputation for crime and the occasional death by shooting. It was a bit worrying to commute through, as a bus rider, and seems like an odd location for an ISP street-level office.

[0] https://goo.gl/maps/8oxjkCL8JFm

Re: The NSA’s Hidden Spy Hubs in Eight U.S. Cities

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I'm struggling to find the new information here. We've known for years through the New York Times and others that AT&T helps the NSA. We've known for close to a hundred years about AT&T Long Lines networks and hubs for that network. It's only basic logic to put the two together and know that the NSA uses AT&T's hubs. What's new here?

This is not new in the sense that a whistle-blower revealed back in the mid-2000's (as I recall) that AT&T was working with the NSA to illegally bulk collect all internet traffic.

The problem is that even though this is all public record lying government officials continue to dismiss the obvious truth as "conspiracy theories" and so it becomes necessary to prove the same points over and over again in excruciating detail as long as government officials keep lying.

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Yeah, gathering evidence not admissible in court really helps the investigation find evidence that is.

Exactly. Once they know exactly what someone has done and how, it's relatively easy for them to find alternative means of "suspecting" that person of doing the crime and convince the judge to give them a warrant for exactly what they've already found through the illegal surveillance operation. I wish judges and defense attorneys would catch on to these tactics more quickly. The rate at which the prosecutors/FBI inven…

> I wish judges and defense attorneys would catch on to these tactics more quickly.

Is there a tech-law publication which targets judges and defense attorneys?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a secret in the West, or even in China, that there's a "Great Firewall" which surveils and regulates all internet access. It's just America that pretends it doesn't have a secret police.

> a secret police The term "secret police refers to intelligence, security or police agencies that engage in covert operations against a government's political opponents" [1]. We have no evidence the NSA is "used to protect the political power of an individual" or even political party. They're an intelligence agency, purely and simply. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police

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In the case that the data is being stored by third parties (google, facebook, apple) or insecure devices then it's also irrelevant if the data passes AT&T's network or not.

Well.. supposedly AT&T is the capture, right? So passing the AT&T network would increase the odds of your packets being read.. right?

In the cases that your traffic is unencrypted, yes, but that should be rare enough that you worry about it each time it happens.

Bigger in this case is the pattern of life rendered by just inspecting headers. And they can get a lot of headers sitting on these ATT locations.

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One wonders if a CDN might advertise, "we promise once your data enters our network at our edge locations outside of the US, it does not traverse any AT&T networks while reaching your server inside the US". Same with cloud companies' private networks across regions.

If your communication is encrypted it shouldn't matter if it passes AT&T networks. Either A. Popular and well known encryption algorithms are not broken by the NSA, and your communication is private. B. Popular and well known encryption algorithms are broken by the NSA, but the fact that it's broken is top secret and the state will not do any actions that revel the secret. Your communications are not safe, and while…

They are only irrelevant if the interested parties actually use those other tools. In most cases, they likely do not have the manpower/will. It's a numbers/energy game, and the more obstructions to illegal spying there are the better we can assume our total privacy is.

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The Seattle location - 1122 3rd Ave - is an interesting spot. According to Google Maps[0], next door is the FBI Seattle Division office. On street view, the building itself has a street-level office with signs for both AT&T and CenturyLink. 3rd Ave itself is slightly notorious - hosting the surface entrances for the Seattle bus tunnel, and a large number of inter-city routes, the area has a reputation for crime and t…

Completely anecdotal evidence, but every morning I walk by this building and without failure I run into wireless interference of some sort on different frequency bands (GSM, bluetooth, etc.).

Not saying correlation is causation here, but the interfernce is definitely a little unnerving.

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