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Bitcoin is a Cult

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Re: Bitcoin is a Cult

#71

There is, without a doubt, a Bitcoin cult. Or more generally, crypto-currency cults. The headline reads like it's only a cult, which isn't the case. Even the most critical observer must concede that these distributed networks are novel and interesting. The farther you move from social media, the less cult-like things get. The best discussion remains on listservs, and there is a lot of interesting and substantive disc…

You care to list some of those listservs / fora for those interested?

Re: Bitcoin is a Cult

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A lot of things are cults and it doesn't have to do much with social media or the behaviors he is outlining. Apple - You can argue Apple, the hardware company, is a cult. The fans are rabid in their support for the company. Often the discussions are not at all civil and in this particular case there is no financial incentive. Let's move even farther away. There are cults for clothing companies. Companies that make dr…

I think maybe you are confusing or just being hyperbolic on the difference between fan club and religious devotion.

There are many differences (of course!) but one common strand is that both are elements of the adherent's identity. In the case of Crypto there is another defining commonality - which is life style and life chances. Religions provide a vehicle (the community) which provides adherents with different chances from those outside, Crypto does the same - via money... if you have invested you might be rich, or poor, but your life is changed.

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#73

When I first got into bitcoin I thought it could be a wonderful alternative to the current monetary system, I especially hoped it would be more equitably shares. Unfortunately it’s turned out to be as unequally shared as our current wealth is, if not more. Perhaps some kind of coin where everybody in the world is issued the same amount or something.

It was interesting to see the various give away schemes that used to exist for bitcoin, and how they have dried up and disappeared.

Re: Bitcoin is a Cult

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r/bitcoin comes to mind whenever I think of the words "Bitcoin" and "cult" in the same sentence.

If you want to read an interesting story read this. https://old.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6rxw7k/info...

Thank you, that was a great read. As someone that's only ever been interested at the periphery of Bitcoin (though generally interested in the applicability of blockchain tech and the technical problems with same), I was not aware of any of this. Would this story be considered common knowledge among the Bitcon literati? I find it hard to fathom how anybody could rationally invest in BTC knowing this story. Surely this level of influence (if not control) by Blockstream and /u/theymos goes against the very promise of decentralisation that Bitcoin promises?

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#75

When I first got into bitcoin I thought it could be a wonderful alternative to the current monetary system, I especially hoped it would be more equitably shares. Unfortunately it’s turned out to be as unequally shared as our current wealth is, if not more. Perhaps some kind of coin where everybody in the world is issued the same amount or something.

There is Manna, formerly GrantCoin, which is about basic income. They issue every person with an account about $0.006 every week, so it's inflationary.

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Any data to back that up ? I know anecdotal, but I can buy beers, taxi & coffee with crypto which I could not 9 years ago and I see quite a lot of ATMs appearing; NL/UK/JP/HK. I think the main point is that I can get a coffee with crypto, which is an important milestone.

Maybe it’s because I’m European, but 8 years ago I could buy coffee with crypto in both Copenhagen and Berlin and today I can’t.

Did they ban it in Copenhagen and Berlin? In general? Or just not enough demand so they threw it out?

Re: Bitcoin is a Cult

#77

When I first got into bitcoin I thought it could be a wonderful alternative to the current monetary system, I especially hoped it would be more equitably shares. Unfortunately it’s turned out to be as unequally shared as our current wealth is, if not more. Perhaps some kind of coin where everybody in the world is issued the same amount or something.

> Perhaps some kind of coin where everybody in the world is issued the same amount or something. That’s an interesting idea for how a currency would work and I’m half tempted to ask you to explain if everyone had the same where is the value in it... but more tempted to suggest you develope a currency based on human fingers as most of us start with the same number.

One idea I’ve had and heard similar descriptions of elsewhere is to give people grants for various things. Ie. If you’re diagnosed with skin cancer you’re given a grant to fund the treatment. There’d have to be an algorithm in place to settle on the optimum grant - and I don’t claim to know it. Maybe it’s a grant that establishes a reimbursement contract between the service provider, the government, and the patient with an allotment for a maximal amount of profit. But giving people blocks of money is compatible with the capitalistic market. They would still have to choose how to spend their stipend(s) and the associated trade offs. I liken it to filling in missing data with the average value. Making sure everyone made at least the average per capita income wouldn’t change inflation, I think.

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Exactly: No crypto in it's current state is liquid enough for any serious moving of money. Slipping, fees (and potential hedging costs) will eat you if you need to to move serious money. As such it only works for entities who don't have vast amounts of capital, eg. people who can't afford an army of tax lawyers to create complex legal tax evasion schemes to pay less tax than the rest of us.

"No crypto in it's current state is liquid enough for any serious moving of money" It's more liquid than real estate, which is widely used for money laundering.

I don't think so. If someone put 5K BTC up for sale on one day the price of the whole market would be disrupted, but similar sales happen in London and New York every day and the market seems unbothered.

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I think maybe you are confusing or just being hyperbolic on the difference between fan club and religious devotion.

There are many differences (of course!) but one common strand is that both are elements of the adherent's identity. In the case of Crypto there is another defining commonality - which is life style and life chances. Religions provide a vehicle (the community) which provides adherents with different chances from those outside, Crypto does the same - via money... if you have invested you might be rich, or poor, but you…

Right. I agree. I am also going one step further and arguing that crypto is more of a fan club then a cult. There are cults way stronger that illicit a far greater emotion reaction that crypto.

Even now, when the price is in the toilet, a lot of really smart people are having sane discussions across sub-reddits. And those very smart people are still checkin in code and making improvements.

This has happened before. During the BBS era and ARPA Net era, a lot of people said those things were "cute" and only used by underground cult figures. They said that people who believed in the "internet" were dillusional that a global network would ever happen. They also said that it would have limited impact on society. They said it would stay largely with universities. Newspapers laughed. Television networks laughed. Music companies shrugged it off. But the one thing I learned from both those eras is if there are a lot of smart people working in it then it is not to be discounted.

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