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Shopify/BigCommerce/Authorize.net/eBay/Amazon, etc. will handle it for you. Everyone uses SaaS software at some point in the process nowadays.
Yes, those platforms may handle sales tax calculations automatically for you for their specific platform. That's only the very first step. Merchants will then need to report and remit their sales tax to each state. If those platforms plan to handle the entire process, trust me they have a ton of work ahead of them if they decide to handle it in-house.
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#132I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.
Many online payment gateways already offer some kind of sales tax API. Keep in mind in California, sales tax changes per county. In places like Tennessee, the tax rate can change if your item is a grocery or isn't a grocery. There are companies that already sell massive lookup tables or API access to calculate a lot of this stuff. I think for most retailers, this won't be that big a change. Most mom-and-pop online st…
I would hope Stripe or people using online services like Shopify will quickly add support for everyone. But the state by state, county by county, grocery vs non grocery stuff sounds like a goddamn nightmare.
EDIT: You won't be able to just be some just launch it break stuff and fix later SASS. You will have to keep track of all this shit and send out 50 different cheques, or track when your company has reached the minimum to have to pay sales tax back.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
The South Dakota tax only applies if you sell more than $100k or send more than 200 shipments, which factored into the decision: Respondents argue that “the physical presence rule has permitted start-ups and small businesses to use the Internet as a means to grow their companies and access a national market, without exposing them to the daunting complexity and business-development obstacles of nationwide sales tax…
That's still difficult to comply with. Imagine 50 different laws like that, each with their own tiers, and consider the difficulty accounting for them all and staying in compliance. That's not even getting into municipal taxes.
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#134Isn't this at some level taxation without representation? If I don't like how some other state is taxing, I can't alter that behaviour by voting. At least in my current state I might have a chance to do so.
I'm not a fan of the ruling but I would expect the answer to your question would be: "No because you aren't forced to buy the product from a retailer in that state"
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#135Most of the coverage I've seen downplays it, but it should be noted that the question is not whether tax is owed on these out-of-state internet purchases, but whether the retailer should be required to collect it and submit it to the state. Currently, the purchaser is (in 45 of 50 states) legally required to pay a "use tax", but most Americans (98%?) are blissfully unaware of this requirement, or have simply decided not to pay it. This is pure illegal tax evasion, based on the (correct) assumption that enforcement is lax and risk of punishment is low: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/04/16/177384487/most...
Rather than attempting to enforce these existing laws against their residents (unpopular and difficult), states believe it will be easier to get compliance from retailers. Until this decision, it was unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause for a state to demand this collection unless the retailer had a "substantial nexus" in the state, generally defined as a physical presence. Post-decision (pending new national laws created by Congress) all retailers are fair game. The particular South Dakota law in question has requirements as to volume of purchase, but this is not a principle of the decision.
Beyond the implications for internet retailers, this is an interesting counter-example to the Supreme Court tradition of "stare decisis" (to stand by things already decided). Apparently, everyone on the court agrees that earlier decisions that produced the physical location test were poor precedent. Usually, the court is very reluctant to revisit these decisions, but in this case, the majority justices decided to abandon precedent and explicitly call the earlier decisions mistakes. The dissenting justices, despite conceding that "Bellas Hess was wrongly decided", felt that the court was better off sticking with the flawed precedent than changing things up now.
Personally, whether or not this is good constitutional precedent, I think I agree with the dissenters that allowing local jurisdictions to make laws affecting far-away businesses who have no other local presense is going to lead to problems. Beyond just the burden of collecting confusing locally defined taxes, I fear about where else it leads. If a locality can enforce its local tax laws, what other custom crafted local laws can it enforce in return for access to customers? Can it require a business license? Should it be allowed to enforce its local environmental and labor standards as well? Is this a good thing?
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#137I find it hard to argue with from a fairness perspective. Clearly, retail is in a much different place from when Quill was decided. My concern is more in how a mom & pop online shop operating independently complies as a practical matter, which means not only collecting the right amount for different types of items but presumably remitting and filing with a huge number of different tax jurisdictions.
There are two against it on fairness grounds I can see but your mileage may vary on practically and definitions of fairness. One is that they don't use the infrastructure in the state. Shippers are either already taxed for their use if private or self funding government in the case of UPS. The second is a more slippery taxation without representation which also gets into all sorts of semantic issues with who is reall…
This is one way of looking at things, but I think sales tax is much closer to a tax on consumers than on businesses. Or at least is intended as a tax on consumers to fund their state infrastructure, often because imposing an income tax is impossible (e.g. Washington State constitution) or just politically unpalatable.
Normalising taxes is basically impossible in an environment where sales taxes are a meaningful part of a government's budget.
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#138I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.
From they very start of Quill they said: "we ruled that a "seller whose only connection ... is by common carrier ... lacked the requisite minimum contacts with the State." So the issue was: how substantial does the seller's contact have to be?
The court ends this decision by saying "the first prong ... asks whether the tax applies to an activity with a substantial nexus with the taxing State... sellers who engage in a significant quantity ... are large, national companies ... undoubtedly maintain an extensive virtual presence." So the issue remains: how substantial does the seller's contact have to be?
The underlying logic of the law hasn't changed, they just fixed some imprudently broad language referring to a physical presence.
So I doubt the SCOTUS abandoned one bright-line rule for being flawed in favor of another bright-line rule that equally fails to address the underlying issue of substantiality (e.g. imposing a "single-sale" rule).
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#139Does your state online sales tax law have:
* Safe harbor for sellers who have limited activity
* No retroactivity
* Adheres to SSUTA
* State level admin
* Provides software
* Provides immunity for errors
If so, upheld. If not...
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#140More compliance and regulation for us to deal with. How about you just tax property? It doesn't move. And also, how about the state stops spending money?
Actually taxes on consumption are far more effective and fair than taxes on property.
Sales tax is considered to be regressive because it takes a proportionally larger percent of income from low income tax payers. They don't own property but still need to purchase consumer goods, afterall.