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Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

Would love to see Stripe provide an API for this.

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#92

This is potentially much broader though -- say you buy a domain on some registrar, do you pay taxes on that now? Every such place then needs your address, too. And going down this road, p2p barter on the internet of any kind might be subject to a tax regime soon.

You don’t need people’s address to charge them sales tax. The business is responsible for paying the sales tax - not the customer.

e.g. If I buy a sandwich I do not give my name and address to the deli.

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There are two against it on fairness grounds I can see but your mileage may vary on practically and definitions of fairness. One is that they don't use the infrastructure in the state. Shippers are either already taxed for their use if private or self funding government in the case of UPS. The second is a more slippery taxation without representation which also gets into all sorts of semantic issues with who is reall…

On the other hand, local businesses are paying other types of taxes anyway (such as property taxes) and they're actually employing local people--so there's almost an argument that local businesses should be paying less sales tax rather than more. And then you're almost in why have a sales tax at all territory given that they're mostly regressive. There's certainly a good argument for a flat national sales tax but tha…

On the other hand, having local businesses pay less sales tax would be dangerously close to interstate tariffs.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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More compliance and regulation for us to deal with. How about you just tax property? It doesn't move. And also, how about the state stops spending money?

Actually taxes on consumption are far more effective and fair than taxes on property.

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Payment processing services will most likely provide a solution to do this automatically. Charging credit cards is already pretty complicated, and they abstract it away already, so it would make sense for them to provide this as an additional service.

Agreed. I envision "tax compliance as a service" being offered by processors or third parties. My only question is then whether individual municipalities in states that allow them to have their own sales tax will also now be able to force compliance. If that's the case, what a nightmare for online retailers.

I mean if you're already offering a tax compliance service for 50 different sets of books does it really get that much more complicated adding more?

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While I can't speak for US law, most of the time it's the delivery address that matters - if the location you're at when purchasing matters, you could do all of your expensive on-line shopping when on holiday in some place with low taxes (or using a VPN...).

This is one of those "it depends on the state" questions. In general, a seller is going to calculate and remit tax based on the delivery address, but the laws are actually a bit more complicated than that. chasil, who lives in Illinois but is close to Iowa, might start having packages delivered to a P.O. Box in Iowa, for example. However, legally speaking, s/he must still pay Illinois use tax on that item provided it…

One particular question is my use of Page Plus, my phone carrier. It was the first Verizon MVNO to get 4g.

I was on an automatic payment with them, and they announced that they were adding 911 taxes.

I canceled the automatic payment and started getting refills at pincheap.com (a dealer with no presence in either Iowa or Illinois), avoiding both sales tax and the 911 tax.

There is no "delivery" of any physical product, so I wonder if the tax status of that arrangement changes.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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Sales tax has one of the most complicated structures. Recently ADP built logic to tax according to counties and sub-zones (not just states and cities) to save millions on taxes for its customers. I doubt small start-ups can afford their software. It will be great if Stripe can come up with an API to simplify this. Or else, its clearly a win for large retailers and not as much for small ecommerce stores.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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I find it hard to argue with from a fairness perspective. Clearly, retail is in a much different place from when Quill was decided. My concern is more in how a mom & pop online shop operating independently complies as a practical matter, which means not only collecting the right amount for different types of items but presumably remitting and filing with a huge number of different tax jurisdictions.

In Colorado you're already asked when filing state taxes what the value of the goods you bought online that haven't been taxed yet, so the onus is on the filer to look up receipts from the year for tax purposes. Amazon already collects tax in Colorado, but a few smaller retailers will send you a letter at the end of the year totaling up your untaxed purchases. Since different counties and localities collect different…

It is not hard to get the right rates. All you need to do is have a master file with all zip codes with the corresponding rate to charge. The difficult part is filing out the returns and dealing with potential audits.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

Many online payment gateways already offer some kind of sales tax API. Keep in mind in California, sales tax changes per county. In places like Tennessee, the tax rate can change if your item is a grocery or isn't a grocery.

There are companies that already sell massive lookup tables or API access to calculate a lot of this stuff. I think for most retailers, this won't be that big a change.

Most mom-and-pop online stores have disappeared too. Gone are the days when you went to Pricewatch.com and Pricescan.com. Now all the individual shops just create a store on Newegg, Amazon and eBay. I'm pretty sure the big players will start offering up tools to do these calculations for them as well.

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