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Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by Jach »

wffurr wrote: post #72
Jach wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The privacy controls of Windows 10 are insufficient. In order to make Windows 10 usable, at least by Windows 7 standards, for people who actually care (you sound content with MS's worldview, that's fine for you), this is the latest version of all the crap you have to do: https://github.com/adolfintel/Windows10-Privacy

Why does that guide have you delete all the preinstalled UWP apps and Windows Defender? I naturally did the first steps in the setup process they suggested, and also did some work to get regular system search instead of Cortana, but deleting sticky notes seems excessive.

Maybe you missed CVE-2018-0986 (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/ad...) and other related notices for Defender and other products, but it's not a great idea these days to let poor quality (remember, MS fired its QA) highly privileged software like Windows Defender or other antiviruses run and automatically scan every file (or worse as some newer systems are doing attach themselves to every process and scan their memory) since that software is itself vulnerable to exploits.

Admittedly the link I posted goes a bit beyond what's strictly needed, but it captures the spirit of the classic Windows setup. It used to be, you buy a new machine, first thing you do is wipe the pre-installed Windows (and all the crap the machine's seller put on there), hope there's not a rootkit (Lenovo, Sony), then install vanilla Windows, then install your graphics drivers... Now it's wipe the pre-installed Windows Home, go buy Windows Professional and then install that, go through the above link to vanilla-ize it and get rid of the pre-installed crap plus take back control of your privacy and machine behavior, then you're ready to download graphics drivers and so on...

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by homero »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #80

The browser wars are back; that's a good thing. The web started moving forward again since Firefox upped their game on the performance and ux front. I converted back (from Chrome) about a year ago and haven't looked back. MS has been bleeding market share for a long time. The IE to Edge transition basically fragmented their market, destroyed their brand name, and they never really got back the market share they had g…

They're beta testing edge on android

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by ljm »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I used it when I last had a windows machine at work. We essentially got extensive QA testing in a less common browser for ‘free’, without sinking productivity into debugging through a testing pipeline, because it was my default browser and so everything was built using the feedback from it.

You can safely assume most of what you do to get things working there will pretty much be fine in the big browsers too, and it saves a huge headache when you’ve developed solely for Chrome and realise your app is totally broken in other browsers that, let’s be honest, many designers and devs will be too snooty to care about even if their analytics present a valid reason for supporting.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by ksec »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #66

One announcement I'm waiting to hear about in all honesty is Microsoft open sourcing Edge, they don't have to reveal Cortana specifics (though that would be fund to read through if they'd allow it) but just EdgeHTML with Chakra in a way that compiles nicely. I would love to see what would happen if they allowed the community to contribute back to Edge if it could become much more competitive as a result of them welco…

I am thinking of the same. No one uses Microsoft Browsers anymore, especially Edge. Even if you exclude Phones and Tablet, Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer combined to have close to 90% market share.

And if you include Smartphone and Tablet, which has 4 times the user base of PC, Edge has less then 2% of total web market share.

They could made EdgeHTML and Chakra the base for Visual Studio Code, allowing it to have an wider use case, instead of relying on Electron.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by ksec »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

I agree Edge is the most resource efficient Browser on Windows. ( Single or Few tabs only though.. It isn't tuned for Multiple Tabs ) But its Interface.... I have yet seen a person that actually likes it.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #80

The browser wars are back; that's a good thing. The web started moving forward again since Firefox upped their game on the performance and ux front. I converted back (from Chrome) about a year ago and haven't looked back. MS has been bleeding market share for a long time. The IE to Edge transition basically fragmented their market, destroyed their brand name, and they never really got back the market share they had g…

There is no need for MS to abandon Edge, especially when OS integration is going to be more important in the near future. Chrome and Firefox are also not as resource efficient on Windows, which his especially important on battery powered Windows devices. Same as on Mac OS, where you use Safari, if you value your battery life.

Also there will be new mobile Windows devices very soon. https://www.windowscentral.com/upcoming-microsoft-hardware-w...

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ksec wrote: post #84
giancarlostoro wrote: post #66

One announcement I'm waiting to hear about in all honesty is Microsoft open sourcing Edge, they don't have to reveal Cortana specifics (though that would be fund to read through if they'd allow it) but just EdgeHTML with Chakra in a way that compiles nicely. I would love to see what would happen if they allowed the community to contribute back to Edge if it could become much more competitive as a result of them welco…

I am thinking of the same. No one uses Microsoft Browsers anymore, especially Edge. Even if you exclude Phones and Tablet, Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer combined to have close to 90% market share. And if you include Smartphone and Tablet, which has 4 times the user base of PC, Edge has less then 2% of total web market share. They could made EdgeHTML and Chakra the base for Visual Studio Code, allowing…

I've thought about this too. Would be interesting to see how they could add Node-like support to Chakra (APIs) and see how it performs on Windows compared to Electron in regards to memory consumption and Battery usage. But when you talk about making even more web browser apps people don't get too excited.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by pavlov »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I use Edge 95% of the time on two Windows machines. Its page rendering feels equivalent to Chrome and Firefox, but it's got better touch support, it launches faster, switching tabs feels more responsive, and it has a nice "set aside" view for tabs.

Even though I have the two other browsers installed, I see increasingly little reason to use them.

(The most annoying thing about using Edge is Google's search engine. It displays naggy pop-ups about Chrome, and there doesn't seem to be a way to turn those off. It's not bad enough to make me use Bing, though.)

On Macs, I use Safari. On Linux, I use Firefox. Sticking to OS defaults makes life a bit easier for me, apparently.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

ksec wrote: post #85
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

I agree Edge is the most resource efficient Browser on Windows. ( Single or Few tabs only though.. It isn't tuned for Multiple Tabs ) But its Interface.... I have yet seen a person that actually likes it.

I regularly have 30+ tabs open without issues.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by buraksarica »

ThePadawan wrote: post #5
buraksarica wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A webinar video was very popular, the MS guy tried to use Edge, the site wasn't working, and he shifted chrome in order to show what he need to show.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the presenter (a Microsoft employee) running a development/debug version of Edge which was misbehaving, and that was why he chose to use a stock browser instead.

I don't recall anything about a debug version. He was presenting on azure portal* by the way.

edit: Not business product, azure portal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4rL_Lnt6kA

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