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Yet another Edge use-case - the last time I checked, only Edge supports Netflix 4K on Windows.
pun intended?
No, really. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/55763
Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings. > If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes s…
The privacy controls of Windows 10 are insufficient. In order to make Windows 10 usable, at least by Windows 7 standards, for people who actually care (you sound content with MS's worldview, that's fine for you), this is the latest version of all the crap you have to do: https://github.com/adolfintel/Windows10-Privacy
Why does that guide have you delete all the preinstalled UWP apps and Windows Defender?
I naturally did the first steps in the setup process they suggested, and also did some work to get regular system search instead of Cortana, but deleting sticky notes seems excessive.
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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I don't think this discussion is worth continuing as our basic definitions of decency, privacy, control and discourse are so far apart that it makes no sense. You ask "how is this a dark pattern", I give citation and reference, and your response is "they should be happy?" Seriously? > The basic telemetry is just harmless diagnostic data that's on every modern mainstream OS. MS isn't snooping on you. The only modern m…
A lot of FUD in that article. > Ok, to clear a little bit of this so it’s not a complete freak out. This WiFi Sense has been known about for a while now and has been in various tech preview builds. Plus Windows Phone. Second thing is that WiFi networks are not shared by default. I just checked this on my Surface Pro 3. The WiFi Sense service is indeed enabled by default, but you must specifically pick which of your s…
Not sure what you are quoting from (you seem to quote but it's not from the article listed).
It was changed in later updates, but as rolled out originally, it most definitely shared wifi networks unexpectedly in some configuration (perhpas only on upgrades, not on new installs, I don't remember the exact details -- but there was a wifi breach where I worked at the time in which wifisense turned out to be the culprit without anyone explicitly enabling it). See [0]. Microsoft is playing loose with your data, and has been for the past 5 years at the very least. You may not care, but I do, and your refusal to accept that is simple baffling.
[0] https://threatpost.com/microsoft-quietly-kills-controversial...
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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My manager insists on using Edge because "it is the default browser on Windows so everybody uses it". I'm working on an in-house Angular application, and he has discovered a lot of compatibility issues that none of our other users have.
...or possibly other users have discovered but not bothered to report it? Your manager is doing the right thing here - even if you don't agree with his rational. If you don't control the browsers your customers* use then you should be testing your application on as many unique platforms as you can. That is essentially UAT 101. * "customers" might be external to the company, or your own staff if you're developing an i…
To clarify, he's the only one that uses Edge in our company of about 20 people.
I do appreciate him finding the compatibility issues, but I also find it _cute_ when he discovered issues that no one else ever encountered because of Edge.
What I'm really trying to say is that I've seen a fair number edge cases where Edge is not behaving the same as Chrome or Firefox ;)
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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I want to add: 3. Use my hosts file so I can connect to my local dev environments
I just tested it and it uses my hosts file.
It seems like some get it to work and others, like me have no luck with it https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor.... I have the web-server running in a VM, all other browsers I have tested works with it but not Edge
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
#76One announcement I'm waiting to hear about in all honesty is Microsoft open sourcing Edge, they don't have to reveal Cortana specifics (though that would be fund to read through if they'd allow it) but just EdgeHTML with Chakra in a way that compiles nicely. I would love to see what would happen if they allowed the community to contribute back to Edge if it could become much more competitive as a result of them welco…
Chakra is Open Source:
https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore
but I guess what you want is an "Edgeium" equivalent of Edge in the way that Chromium is the full (compilable) OSS version of Chrome.
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
#77One announcement I'm waiting to hear about in all honesty is Microsoft open sourcing Edge, they don't have to reveal Cortana specifics (though that would be fund to read through if they'd allow it) but just EdgeHTML with Chakra in a way that compiles nicely. I would love to see what would happen if they allowed the community to contribute back to Edge if it could become much more competitive as a result of them welco…
Chakra is Open Source: https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore but I guess what you want is an "Edgeium" equivalent of Edge in the way that Chromium is the full (compilable) OSS version of Chrome.
Yes, I want an all in one solution that's open.
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
#78I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…
I run LTSB, for a number of reasons, so I don't have Edge anywhere. When I did, though, there was one bug with the address bar where clicking into it would make it shift all around and show and hide the protocol prefix. It was irritating as hell if you were trying to copy/paste part of a url, because everything would move under your cursor as you're dragging.
Hundreds of people reported it, Edge team closed the bug as wontfix, working as designed. If that's the design, it's hot garbage.
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
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It still has problems to scale images in a reasonable quality. A problem IE always had. It also forces Bing down your throat if you select text and open the context menu. It sometimes closes without any error message (to be fair, some crack-pipe UX-Designers call that a good thing.) It cannot be configured in detail at all (about:flags; is there anything else?) Dev-Tools are increadibly slow. It is basically IE12 wit…
> It also forces Bing down your throat if you select text and open the context menu. I have google as default search engine and it shows me google in context menu, I don't have any mentions of bing. > It sometimes closes without any error message (to be fair, some crack-pipe UX-Designers call that a good thing.) It cannot be configured in detail at all (about:flags; is there anything else?) Never closed for me, proba…
> I have google as default search engine and it shows me google in context menu, I don't have any mentions of bing.
Must be new then. That behaviour is definitely different at least on the semi-annual channel. That is the default for corporate environments I believe. I don't use Edge in private.
And with closing, I meant the browser just crashing. That is the behaviour of many other UWP apps as well. The idea allegedly was to show error information on the next start. Never saw that in action an even MS seems to ignore that.
True, maybe more competition is better but as of yet I don't see Edge as a serious competitor to webkit, chrome or ff.
As for the UI... debatable. Of course a UI is touch-friendly if there are about 3 buttons to configure your browser. The win8 UI was also considered modern. It still wasn't good in most cases.
Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17
#80The browser wars are back; that's a good thing. The web started moving forward again since Firefox upped their game on the performance and ux front. I converted back (from Chrome) about a year ago and haven't looked back.
MS has been bleeding market share for a long time. The IE to Edge transition basically fragmented their market, destroyed their brand name, and they never really got back the market share they had gotten used to with Edge. Most people I use that actually use windows, have Chrome or Firefox as their main browser. Apple has the same problem with Safari. I only ever use it to download Firefox or Chrome. Mobile browsers are completely dominated by Chrome and Safari. MS killed their mobile platform and basically serves a niche market for people that really want a MS branded platform there. I actually use Firefox on Android and like it a lot but I'm a minority.
IMHO wasm is approaching the point where it will (finally) create a viable ecosystem for languages other than javascript to be used for mainstream web development. MS, is well positioned with their tool chains to take advantage of that. So, not strange to see MS investing there. Though I do think they need to cut their losses and put their money behind either Chrome or Firefox and retire their in house browsers. Edge at this point is not an easy sell. They did the right thing on mobile killing of windows phone and eliminating that as an internal distraction and I don't see them getting away with having any edge only websites these days.