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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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yeah, performance-wise I can't complain :) I'm a compulsive tab hoarder with about 400 open (admittedly, have to enable the "don't load until focused"-setting) on a 5 yo laptop with lots of other stuff running. No problem at all.

I am genuinely interested: why so many and how can you handle 400 open tabs?? How do you navigate between them? I am lost as soon as I have more than 10 tabs open at the same time...

Extensions. Back in the mid-to-late 2000s Tax Mix Plus was released, I had it configured so that after a configurable number of tabs appeared on the tab row, a new row would be created, up to a configurable number of rows after which I think you'd have to start scrolling the tab rows. You could also unload tabs and have them only load when clicked on, thus the memory usage was typically inconsequential even though my laptops back then only had something like 256MB - 1 GB of RAM. I had a tab colorizer installed too. Thus formed my habit of accumulating tabs.

Later on TreeStyle Tab came out, and I've used that ever since. I've got 501 tabs right now (thanks tab count extension), I usually go on purges every so often when it gets around this high and close large groups of them, reading some before closing, bookmarking many of them before closing with a current month/year annotation and other tags, so I can get back down to a more reasonable ~100-200. Even if it didn't have its tree collapsing functionality (I've got 25 tabs collapsed in a tree right now related to setting up and using some new software I started doing last night, it takes up one tab of space when collapsed) I would still use it just for the fundamental insight that with widescreen resolutions being standard vertical screen real estate is much more important than horizontal real estate. Admittedly that's not as big an insight anymore with 4k screens (and I use a big 42inch one). Anyway with TreeStyle Tab I can have tabs that are on the left side of the browser, that grow down, with scrolling, but I can still read the titles of each tab unlike in Chrome where each tab after ~10-20 is just an icon (at best).

The URL bar is also just superior to Chrome's. It's not called the Awesome Bar for no reason. The table at the bottom of https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-search-fire... has a list of commands you can use to match things -- I actually often have that page in my sea of tabs since sometimes I forget a couple sigils but I found it immediately with ctrl+L + "awesome %".

This submission's title is kind of hilarious. Firefox never went away, I started using it pre 1.5 on a Windows 95 machine and though now I use Chrome/Chromium for some things I've never felt the need to leave Firefox. Well, except until recently with the Quantum updates, ironically. For my personal desktop, I'm still pre-Quantum, it works just as it always has, while on my other machines I've been giving the new Firefox a fair chance and am just hoping it gets better. The tree tabs addon port especially isn't as good, I really miss my right click context menu for noscript, etc.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Bank of America claims Firefox is an “unsupported browser”, so, yeah :/

You'll be surprised how well it works by just switching the user-agent. It's more of a "too lazy to make sure it works" than a "actually doesn't work and Chrome should be used" situation.

Too lazy to test probably. If you support IE, Safari, Chrome both on the desktop and mobile, chances are that your site supports practically everything.

Unfortunately, often giving the official thumbs up requires passing some test suite. If companies have gotten better with their development methodology, their testing methodology is still often "Take a bunch of guys in India and have then run through that extensive check list".

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

Not only is it still a thing, Google itself is a major culprit of it. Seems like every new experiment they release is “best viewed” in — or worse, “requires” — Google Chrome.

Google Optimize requires both Chrome and a browser extension (which isn’t available for any other browser) to work.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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The average user has only one account. You are lucky that you even have the option of switching accounts.

Luckily for us, the developers at google are precisely the kind of people to have several accounts.

Yeah, but they probably get punished by managers for implementing unnecessary features. And that's probably why, even if we have one, the multiple accounts feature sucks so much.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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It's been there at least 6 months already. I think I started using it around the time it was added. According to my password safe, I put the sync name/password in there on 1st of December last year. EDIT: I want to add that I run the Snapshot versions of Vivaldi (currently 1.16.1211.3), and it could be that the Sync was introduced only in a Snapshot in December. So I have no idea if the sync can be found in the Stabl…

is the snapshot version usable? I might give it another try then :)

I've used the snapshot versions as my primary browser at work and home at least since... (referring again to KeePass, checking creation date of credentials for some vivaldi related thing) ...beginning on April 2016, and for me it has worked great.

I might not be the heaviest of the heavy users (figuratively speaking :), for example I have total of 3 Chrome extensions installed (uBlock origin, some exif viewer and Google translate), so I am not aware of things that may not have worked correctly.

I used to use Opera (first 12, then the Chrome version of Opera which I didn't like), and then switched to Vivaldi when I found out about it.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Yep, same here. I use it as my regular browser. Occasionally I switch to Chrome for miscellaneous "other reasons", sometimes just to maintain separation between work and personal browsing sessions (I use FF for work). I'm about to start a new contract doing React development again though. I wonder if I'll stick to FF or if I'll get dragged back to Chrome for DevTools support...

I can recommend https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers highly, i have a bunch of containers for work, personal, projects, research, etc...

it also allows to be logged into twitter/fb with multiple accounts in the same window.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

Yep. You can't use google hangouts without chrome. I've seen other websites (non-google) doing the same. Chrome is the new IE it seems :(

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17364039 says Hangouts’ usable in firefox once more.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I use trello in Firefox and haven't noticed anything that's broken. What specifically is broken for you?

Hm you're right. At some point I could no longer move lists around, but it's back now. It was the third UI to break after Intercom (customer replies not shown unless I reloaded) and Notion (down arrow does not scroll the page down), so I tried Chrome and it fixed the problem. Maybe I should have tried restarting Firefox...

Yes, I've found that now and then after a few weeks of heavy use without a restart, FF will become unresponsive in weird ways (refuse to open new tabs, or won't load URLs but already-loaded pages keep working, or won't allow you to drag links to other apps). It's a bit frustrating but a restart usually fixes that.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I really like and use Firefox. Just the pdf-viewer is subpar – especially to Safari. If I print Latex-made pdfs from the browser, the font looks odd. Also I can't zoom properly/continuously in via my Mac Trackpad. Can anyone recommend a plugin with a better pdf-viewer for Firefox?
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