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Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#31

Post by kaoD »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

> Edge is the most resource efficient

As a gamer with a potato computer I usually close my main browser (>100 tabs) when I game, but I need a browser for statistics. I've tried using Edge with a couple tabs open but it lowers my FPS, while having a secondary profile of Firefox or Chrome with tens of tabs is still fine.

YMMV

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#32

Post by NiveaGeForce »

beagle3 wrote: post #23
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

> Edge is on both iOS and Android, Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. On iPhone, by Apple decree, ALL web browsers (including Firefox and Chrome) are rebranded WebKit; However, on Android, Chrome is (mostly) the real ch…

> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC).

Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings.

> If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense.

If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint?

Also, Edge on iOS and Android will soon have a built-in adblocker.

> The only downside to it I see is that you are using Windows 10... I value privacy and control of my devices a little more than 10% of battery efficiency.

Have you ever looked at the privacy controls of Windows? Also the battery efficiency is significantly more than 10%, and try find me an as versatile and user friendly alternative OS for pen capable 2-in-1s, that has better privacy controls.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#33

Post by NiveaGeForce »

laumars wrote: post #24
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

...and that's like slapping a custom badge on a Ford Fiesta and calling it a Ferrari. You're other points are much more interesting though. One of my biggest gripes with the other leading browsers is they often feel "foreign" on your host OS (which isn't Windows in my case, but that is just personal preference).

The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices.

Edge on iOS and Android will have a built-in adblocker soon.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#34

Post by guardian5x »

beagle3 wrote: post #23
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

> Edge is on both iOS and Android, Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. On iPhone, by Apple decree, ALL web browsers (including Firefox and Chrome) are rebranded WebKit; However, on Android, Chrome is (mostly) the real ch…

If you use Edge and like to have it sync with your mobile, it can make sense to use it on iOS or Android i guess, no matter which engine it uses.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#35

Post by TheCapeGreek »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #32
beagle3 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edge is on both iOS and Android, Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. On iPhone, by Apple decree, ALL web browsers (including Firefox and Chrome) are rebranded WebKit; However, on Android, Chrome is (mostly) the real ch…

> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings. > If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes s…

>If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint?

Edge being multiplatform was part of that post, so what the commenter said makes sense. There are better options on Android and iOS.

>Have you ever looked at the privacy controls of Windows?

Privacy and control over the device. Both of which are limited in Windows by comparison.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#36

Post by fetbaffe »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I have switched to Edge as my main browser for my laptop solely on that it does not drain my battery as fast as the others.

Edge has become much better since the last major update this spring, however still missing some functionality compared to the other browsers.

I think rendering performance Edge is already on par with it's competitors, I have no problems there. It is the application it self that has some annoyances, the "feeling" of the GUI. It can feel a bit laggy like when creating tabs, moving tabs etc. That needs more work.

My biggest gripe with Edge is that I can't change spell checking language without changing the keyboard layout for the Edge window.

I have no connection to Microsoft. I regularly use Edge, Firefox & Opera.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#38

Post by laumars »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #33
laumars wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and that's like slapping a custom badge on a Ford Fiesta and calling it a Ferrari. You're other points are much more interesting though. One of my biggest gripes with the other leading browsers is they often feel "foreign" on your host OS (which isn't Windows in my case, but that is just personal preference).

The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices. Edge on iOS and Android will have a built-in adblocker soon.

> The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices.

In fairness, bar the "integrates well" point, any modern browser will do what you've described (where "efficient" can be used to described a number of different performance related matrix).

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#39

Post by andybak »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #33
laumars wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and that's like slapping a custom badge on a Ford Fiesta and calling it a Ferrari. You're other points are much more interesting though. One of my biggest gripes with the other leading browsers is they often feel "foreign" on your host OS (which isn't Windows in my case, but that is just personal preference).

The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices. Edge on iOS and Android will have a built-in adblocker soon.

> The only thing that matters

Well - for some of us it matters that the rendering engine behaviour and performance characteristics are the same.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#40

Post by beagle3 »

NiveaGeForce wrote: post #32
beagle3 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edge is on both iOS and Android, Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. On iPhone, by Apple decree, ALL web browsers (including Firefox and Chrome) are rebranded WebKit; However, on Android, Chrome is (mostly) the real ch…

> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings. > If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes s…

> If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint?

Yes, but I work on all three desktop OSes, and two mobile OSs; I picked Firefox, which I use everywhere except on iOS (where it does exist, but is not really Firefox, even if it does sync with the rest of the Firefoxen).

> Also, Edge on iOS and Android will soon have a built-in adblocker.

Cool. Firefox already does, and I can also use it on Linux and Mac.

> Have you ever looked at the privacy controls of Windows?

Yes, I have, and they are horrible; Have you?. I cannot stop telemetry or updates (unless LTSB which I can't even get, or enterprise which is too expensive to get for home), I can't get security updates without eveything else that Microsoft decides to bundle even if I did use LTSB or Enterprise. I have no way to verify exactly what Microsoft sends to their servers (and their description is incomplete and out of date, if you care to trust it).

The upgrade-to-windows-10 dark patterns are what you should consider when you think "windows control & privacy".

> Also the battery efficiency is significantly more than 10%,

Not in my experience of Edge vs Firefox, unless things have changed very dramatically in the last few months.

> and try find me a more versatile and user friendly alternative OS for pen capable 2-in-1s, that has better privacy controls.

"versatile" and "user friendly" are very subjective terms; I curse every minute I have to work with Windows after having used a consistently set up linux machine (and even MacOS is a little clunky in comparison). "pen capable 2-in-1" is a very specific requirement that means nothing to me and (I would guess) 95% of the users.

In my biased sample of the world, PCs have gone back to being work devices, and everything else is being done on the phone, with cloud sync bridging the gaps. I know a few people who bought a 2-in-1 but no one uses them except as a laptop except on very very rare occasions.

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