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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by yoklov »

spockz wrote: post #331
maxyme wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, firefox is working on switching to rendering the entire page in opengl which should bring it's motion mark score up substantially. Details on that (and how to enable it in nightly at the bottom of each post) at https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com

They’d better switch to using metal because Apple deprecated OpenGL for MacOS.

Sadly a substantial number of Mac users are on os versions that don't support Metal. And a substantial number of then wouldn't even get support if they updated their OS.

So Metal-only isn't really an option for many projects, it's OpenGL + Metal or just OpenGL (for now).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by tyfon »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #78

I find it kind of ironic that Mozilla rewrote Netscape Navigator from scratch with the lofty idea of creating an entire cross-platform application development platform, not just a browser. XUL, XULRunner etc. But it never caught on and they abandoned all that to focus on just the browser. Yet now Electron is everywhere... Before its time and abandoned in the nick of it. And no one cares about native GUI's anymore app…

We have to maintain an old version of firefox at work since one of our core systems is written in XUL.. I'm not kidding ..

This is not written by us btw :)

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by scrollaway »

manfredo wrote: post #225
scrollaway wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a lot of employees are (very) uncomfortable with their CEO, that CEO is toxic for the company regardless of whether their views are private/public, right/wrong, just/unjust. One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited?

> One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited? No, this is a false scenario. Neither of the two have to go. It's totally possible for employees to continue to choose to work at the company even if they don't agree with their CEO's political views. Plenty of ad…

I don't think you understand how big of a problem this was at Mozilla, and for Mozilla employees.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by alien1993 »

fencepost wrote: post #352
mxvzr wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd remove Ghostery. Not only is it useless once you are running uMatrix & uBlock Origin, they also used to sells your data (page visit, blocking, and advertising statistics) if you activated a feature called "GhostRank". Not sure whether it's still true or not.

Ghostery is convenient in that it categorizes what it's blocking - most of the time it's obvious, particularly with uBlock Origin in Advanced mode, but sometimes I'll look at things in uMatrix and say "OK, X is blocked, but why was it on the page and will unblocking it resolve things?" For example, looking at jumpcloud.com Ghostery breaks the 7 blocked items into 2 advertising trackers, 2 "Essential" trackers, 2 anal…

> As for Ghostery having a breach and exposing email, etc. that would require that I actually create an account for Ghostery. It works just fine without.

For now, sooner or later it's going to be mandatory for sure.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by thirdsun »

teekert wrote: post #302
thirdsun wrote: post #269

While Firefox is my primary browser there's still something off with their CSS transform / CSS transition performance. Take these hover effects, particularly demo #4, as an example: http://preview.codecanyon.net/item/card-css3-portfolio-cards... While certainly excessive those demos run flawlessly and smoothly on Chrome, but are struggling on Firefox. An observation I made often when it comes to complex transform eff…

Nothing looks strange to me with Demo nr. 4? (FF 60.0.2)

For me the frame rate is struggling to keep it even remotely close to 60fps. It's certainly not smooth.

This happens in FF 61.0 Beta on an iMac 5K, but the issue applies to versions that date back to pre-Quantum days. I noticed the problem is more visible if large elements are affected by the transform effects, a smaller window renders those smoother for example.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by rusk »

Can anyone comment on what's driving this sudden intensification of effort on the engineering side of things at Mozilla? Has there been a change of management or something? Presumably Firefox is still Mozilla these days ... will they be updating any of their other apps as well?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by manveru »

bad_user wrote: post #374

Just dropping a note in support of Firefox ... It's a great browser and I've came back to it even before the changes in Quantum, because the UI is better and it's also a browser I can trust to protect my interests. Just one thing to consider ... recently in Chrome 66 they introduced the means for cosmetic ads blocking via stylesheets that can no longer be overridden, as Google finally succumbed to demands for it. Fir…

Pretty much the only time I use chromium now is when I need to debug Websockets, since the traffic is impossible to see in Firefox. Really hope they fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1373639 some day.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by davedx »

bad_user wrote: post #374

Just dropping a note in support of Firefox ... It's a great browser and I've came back to it even before the changes in Quantum, because the UI is better and it's also a browser I can trust to protect my interests. Just one thing to consider ... recently in Chrome 66 they introduced the means for cosmetic ads blocking via stylesheets that can no longer be overridden, as Google finally succumbed to demands for it. Fir…

Yep, same here. I use it as my regular browser. Occasionally I switch to Chrome for miscellaneous "other reasons", sometimes just to maintain separation between work and personal browsing sessions (I use FF for work).

I'm about to start a new contract doing React development again though. I wonder if I'll stick to FF or if I'll get dragged back to Chrome for DevTools support...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by manfredo »

scrollaway wrote: post #403
manfredo wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited? No, this is a false scenario. Neither of the two have to go. It's totally possible for employees to continue to choose to work at the company even if they don't agree with their CEO's political views. Plenty of ad…

I don't think you understand how big of a problem this was at Mozilla, and for Mozilla employees.

The point remains, the above poster was presenting a false dichotomy. No one had to be fired. Employees may choose to quit, but that is a decision they make themselves.
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