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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by spockz » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 AM UTC

maxyme wrote: post #301

joeblau wrote: post #172

I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

FYI, firefox is working on switching to rendering the entire page in opengl which should bring it's motion mark score up substantially. Details on that (and how to enable it in nightly at the bottom of each post) at https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com

They’d better switch to using metal because Apple deprecated OpenGL for MacOS.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by fbn79 » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:03 AM UTC

I'm missing something or Firefox inspector console (the base of web development) is still far from reaching Chrome levels?. For example, if I inspect an element and change window size I don't see applied media query updated in the element tab. Chrome instead let me see in real-time what media query rules are applied. This is really a strong limitation in web development.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by micwag » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:04 AM UTC

Blindedwino wrote: post #326

Sadly, FF still slows to a crawl on OSX and it makes it unusable for me. I can't even watch a Youtube video without it skipping frames.

Try h264fy: https://github.com/erkserkserks/h264ify-firefox It forces h264 on youtube, which is HW-accelerated

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by Longhanks » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:05 AM UTC

blauditore wrote: post #329

Blindedwino wrote: post #326

Sadly, FF still slows to a crawl on OSX and it makes it unusable for me. I can't even watch a Youtube video without it skipping frames.

That sounds like graphics drivers issues to me; I would double-check that.

Unless you're running a Hackintosh or a customized Mac Pro, there's no such thing as a "graphics driver issue" on macOS (if the rest of the system works fine).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by a_imho » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:08 AM UTC

joeblau wrote: post #172

I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

FWIW the major factor driving user experience is content blocking. It is good to know the subtle diffrences, but any browser that ships with content blocking enabled by defult smashes the browser with the fastest rendering speed when it comes to actual browsing.

Moz://a could easily ship the best browser on the market if they actually cared about the users, instead of taking Google money and pretending to be a competition.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by Theodores » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:08 AM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #332

I'm missing something or Firefox inspector console (the base of web development) is still far from reaching Chrome levels?. For example, if I inspect an element and change window size I don't see applied media query updated in the element tab. Chrome instead let me see in real-time what media query rules are applied. This is really a strong limitation in web development.

Depends on what matters, if you are using CSS grid then Firefox is the goto browser.

If you are using CSS grid then media queries are not where it is at, the design is content driven and not screen size driven.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:09 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #307

I spent the last 6 months or so in Firefox after having been out of it for years. It generally has caught up, and was generally pleasurable to use. I’m in the Apple ecosystem, so I wish there was a way to better sync with it like using the system keychain and Safari bookmarks, but it was otherwise holding up nicely. I loved the new containers feature, feeling like I had a fundamentally new way to approach web securit…

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by largote » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

I'm way too invested in Chrome Sync to change browsers at this point.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by digitalpacman » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:12 AM UTC

It doesn't have built-in websocket support so it can F off. Build better dev tools and feel bad. Even the plugin that used to be usable isn't supported on the new FF.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by teel » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 7:14 AM UTC

chrisper wrote: post #252

grundymonday wrote: post #153

I switched to Vivaldi a year or two ago after using Firefox as my main browser for the longest time. I've considered switching back, but every time I run up against several features in Vivaldi that I am just not ready to part with yet: 1) tab stacks, 2) the ability to save and reopen an entire session, 3) a page load progress indicator in the URL bar, 4) using Ctrl-F highlights the position of all matching locations…

Once Vivaldi has a Sync feature like FF and Chrome do, I am going to switch...

Vivaldi does have a sync feature! But I don't know if you're aware of that already, and FF/Chrome sync have something special in their Sync that Vivaldi doesn't.