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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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post #102

Until Firefox address privacy concerns, I'm not going back. Try opening private tabs and going some where. Now close it and reopen it with Ctrl+Shift+T. All the browsing history is still there. Safaria dna Chrome doesn't do this.

You can reopen tabs in a private window, but the session appears to be lost when you close the window.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

It was a political opinion. People have different political opinions, even as CEOs.

Turns out politics has an effect on people's lives, who knew?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

There exists no universal perspective of what is harmful and what is not. In fact, the notion that prohibiting gay marriage is harmful is nowhere near as universally accepted as your comment makes it out to be. Remember, California passed Proposition 8 (the proposition to ban gay marriage) with a 52% majority in 2008. Eich's views were in line with the majority. Mozilla sent the message that the majority of Californian voters are not welcome at their company.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

I followed Eich to the Brave browser. It's really great, but the devtools still don't dock within the window but they're working on it.

Firefox crucified their CEO over his PRIVATE conservative views and that was scary how quick the mob turns on someone. If they turned on the got damn inventor of javascript, how quick will they turn on your minion employee?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I gave Firefox a new try. Mostly because after a chrome update my location bar search is broken. I think due to some bug the text and selection colors are all white. Well someone at Chrome dropped the ball.

Firefox feels really fast and light. I think I’m Making it my primary browser from now on.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#136

I switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago and am mostly happy, with just a few annoyances: There's a setting to prompt "are you sure" before closing Firefox, but it doesn't actually work. I really miss this feature (which works as expected in Chrome) since unless I'm turning my machine off a pretty much never close my browser intentionally Shortcuts in text input also work differently than every other progra…

> "are you sure" before closing Firefox

I believe this feature gets disabled if you enable the feature that automatically restores your previous session when Firefox is opened.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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post #112

Mozilla as an organization makes me a bit uncomfortable. I still haven't forgotten the entire Brendan Eich fiasco. Who is to say that extremely politically motivated folks at Mozilla may consider it their duty to expose user(s) in a similar way? How can they purport to be a champion of user privacy after what they did to Brendan Eich?

What? His donation (of public record) specifically against same sex marriage--indicated that he was not a good culture fit. People (inside and outside the organization) chose to point that out when he was promoted. This really doesn't have anything to do with user privacy in any way whatsoever--nothing about user privacy was surfaced or breached in any way. Nor is there any indication, in mozilla's extremely open sou…

The act was definitely "doxing" any way you slice it. Folks at Mozilla actively chose to find a touchy topic, and expose it to cause the "bad culture fit" argument.

I'm not here to start conspiracies, I'm simply stating that the entire event left me feeling that there are some big players at Mozilla that will use ethically gray areas to achieve their goals, and the people who indulged in that gray area won and are still part of the organization.

Due to that, I am out. I should state that, politically speaking, I was not in solidarity with Eich's position. I am opposed to what people at Mozilla did.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

He did keep his mouth shut about it. Nobody at the company claims that he made any mention of his support for Prop 8. He was outed for it. And interviews with several of his openly gay employees revealed nothing but his support and empathy for them. Yes, he could have been more supportive by opposing Prop 8. He is no saint in my book. But neither is he a monster that must be removed. He's a complex person, like prett…

He wasn't outed - his donation was public. Its not like some secret conversation was recorded and then reported out of context. He didn't accidentally donate $1,000 to oppose same sex marriage. Once called out on it, he didn't apologize or drop his support of Prop 8.

He made a decision and he stuck with it. And Mozilla employees also made a decision. His decision was to oppose their right to be married. Their decision was to oppose his privilege to be their CEO.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#139

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

I also disagree with Eich on that count, and I think he feels greatly conflicted about how his religion requires him to behave, but given that mobs can't handle subtlety was there any other option for Mozilla?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#140

I switched cold turkey to Firefox a few months ago. It was fine for a bit but eventually became unbearably slow. I made the switch on both my work MacBook Pro (retina) and my personal MacBook Air. Both had similar issues. That and the fact that it ships with things like Pocket made me jump back to Chrome.

How is Pocket any different from Safari’s Read It Later, or all of Google’s equivalents? And unlike the other browsers, Pocket while included by default, is still an extension instead of baked into the browser.
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