Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

mobile.nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 753 posts

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#121

Post by dagenix »

siddboots wrote: post #107
alf-pogz wrote: post #97

Mozilla as an organization makes me a bit uncomfortable. I still haven't forgotten the entire Brendan Eich fiasco. Who is to say that extremely politically motivated folks at Mozilla may consider it their duty to expose user(s) in a similar way? How can they purport to be a champion of user privacy after what they did to Brendan Eich?

What did they do exactly? I'm reasonably familiar with the story, but wasn't aware of Mozilla breaching his privacy. Do you just mean the act of speaking out against him in a public way?

He made a publicly recorded donation of $1,000 to oppose same sex marriage. Mozilla employees spoke out against his fitness to run a diverse organization. He resigned.

The only real black eye for Mozilla in this story is that they promoted him at all. If he's just some dude that does his own work, doesn't manage people, and keeps his mouth shut, then, maybe you let his abhorrent opinion slide. But, he was literally the CEO and would make decisions that would impact lots of people.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#122

Post by hotwire »

aplummer wrote: post #86

> The web has reached a new low Strongly disagree. The web is just the medium, the places people visit might have reached a new low, but the platform is only getting better. Just at the state of cross browser in 2015 vs 2018!

yeah but.... actually, crap you're right. tech is better than ever. pity that it's being wasted on today's trivialities.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#123

Post by mongol »

dagenix wrote: post #114
hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

It was a political opinion. People have different political opinions, even as CEOs.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#124

Post by Sylos »

bla2 wrote: post #66
didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

I don't think that's true. You can have a profile per window, the windows live in the same process.

Not even tabs usually live in the same process, so you must be misinterpreting something.

I think, the Windows Task Manager groups processes in the most stupid of ways, where when a (parent-)process has spawned many child-processes, then only the parent-process and its resource usage is shown. You have to go into the "Processes"-tab to see all Chrome-processes and manually add up their resource usage.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#126

Post by theseatoms »

hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

Last time I tried Brave, I was dissuaded from adopting it due to poor support for extensions. Hopefully that part's improving.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#127

Post by dagenix »

mongol wrote: post #123
dagenix wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

It was a political opinion. People have different political opinions, even as CEOs.

He didn't just have an opinion. He acted on that opinion. In a way designed to harm some of his own employees. That action was publicly recorded. And its not just "some opinion". Its not like he preferred Turkey Club sandwiches to BLTs. He preferred that some of his own employees be denied basic human rights.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#128

Post by hirundo »

dagenix wrote: post #114
hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were abs…

He did keep his mouth shut about it. Nobody at the company claims that he made any mention of his support for Prop 8. He was outed for it. And interviews with several of his openly gay employees revealed nothing but his support and empathy for them. Yes, he could have been more supportive by opposing Prop 8. He is no saint in my book. But neither is he a monster that must be removed. He's a complex person, like pretty much everyone else I've ever worked with, and it's wrong to other him for one unfortunate but not necessarily malicious opinion.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#129

Post by RoastBeats »

This is article is just PR-driven propaganda.

Notice how, for example, it hits on a bunch of focused, high-level talking points (faster, better memory management, Facebook container, etc). It also includes rebuttals for potential objections to its main thesis (e.g. sure, Chrome has hundreds of thousands of extensions compared to FireFox’s 11,000 — conveniently hyperlinked, btw — but don’t worry because FireFox has all the main ones you’d want like LastPass).

This article was clearly written by a PR team hired by Mozilla and seeded to the NYTimes for some undisclosed amount of money. I’d even go so far as to suggest it’s high placement on HN is being manipulated by the same PR firm.

Now... let the downvotes to my comment commence, which only further proves my point because many of them are probably coming from the same faux HN accounts being used to elevate the article to the top.

Post reply on HN