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Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by mda »

gkya wrote: post #11

I have wrote a bit about the situation of Turkish education system here, in the form of three big consecutive comments. Here is a link for anybody interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15373653 [Edit: rereading this series of comments I linked above, I note some mistakes in there. E.g. the wealth tax was collected from Muslims too, albeit at a wildly lower rate compared to non-Muslims. Apart from this sort…

I am from same generation with you but I think your assertions in your long comment very hand wavy and super simplified. Needless to say I disagree with many of them.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by buraksarica »

bariscimen wrote: post #23
_r26q wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry but this is not true. The depiction of Turkey by the french media is just false. This is NOT something normal. In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education. And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey. School in Turkey is about actually learning and carring about each other. (I am a Turkish-French. I live in both coutries.)

"In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying

Do you have opportunity to compare? I mean he/she at least is bi-national. Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by gkya »

mda wrote: post #41
gkya wrote: post #11

I have wrote a bit about the situation of Turkish education system here, in the form of three big consecutive comments. Here is a link for anybody interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15373653 [Edit: rereading this series of comments I linked above, I note some mistakes in there. E.g. the wealth tax was collected from Muslims too, albeit at a wildly lower rate compared to non-Muslims. Apart from this sort…

I am from same generation with you but I think your assertions in your long comment very hand wavy and super simplified. Needless to say I disagree with many of them.

Simplified yes. Wrong, I dont think so. That whole text is more than 15kb of narrative, and merits a detailed refutal, not a blunt dismissal.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by gkya »

101km wrote: post #33
gkya wrote: post #11

I have wrote a bit about the situation of Turkish education system here, in the form of three big consecutive comments. Here is a link for anybody interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15373653 [Edit: rereading this series of comments I linked above, I note some mistakes in there. E.g. the wealth tax was collected from Muslims too, albeit at a wildly lower rate compared to non-Muslims. Apart from this sort…

Thank you for the linked post. I'm glad to see you have hope for a positive change. Can you reconcile that with the purges in the Turkish education system after the 2016 coup? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d%27état_att... I'd love any reason to be optimistic here.

Removing Gulen and the like from the education system was long overdue, as they are a political org with an agenda, butbthe purges went too extreme. I have heard stories where people cant find decent jobs because the read at a Gulen lycee, albeit unknowingly. Another which worked at one for one month as a teacher and didnt have any ties to the org itself, but still cant find a job because of that. We say in turkish: the wet was burnt because of the dry. A proper law-bound state would clear the innocent ones in a snap.

Muharrem Ince promises to execute every change necessary for such a state and to revitalise all the institutions. I believe him. I want to believe him. And I believe he will be elected. There is no other way out. Basically this is the most important election ever in the history of the Turkish Republic.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by gkya »

arisAlexis wrote: post #35

this is until Sultan Erdogan closes it down. Probably you also get expelled if you don't believe in the Quran. Sad but true. Article tries hard to make Turkey appear like a good place to innovate and it's probably the worst oppression for academia in this century with a huge amount of professors in jail since 2016.

BS. Why do we chop time up in random 100 year periods? Oh because it helps us distance ourselves from the original fascism and it's Aryan bastard! But it doesn't work, it's recent even if you append an I to the XX. Turkey is in a moment of crisis. Hopefully we're near the end.

Also, this organisation is not a governmental one already. It is a mathematical rebellion. Ali Nesin is one of the most dissenting intellectuals.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by gkya »

candiodari wrote: post #20

There was an article in a French newspaper that details the real story about education changing in Turkey. The education system has moved from being mostly secular to being extremely orthodox islamic. Newly brought in last year: jihad (and no, not "the peaceful kind"), and removal of evolution. New this year, the how righteous of the punishment of stoning is. The illustration from that article was that several girls…

> Apparently this is now the new normal in Turkey.

Let's word it better: it's the normal a tirannical government is imposing and its unqualified conformist officers are implementing.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by dang »

bariscimen wrote: post #23
_r26q wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry but this is not true. The depiction of Turkey by the french media is just false. This is NOT something normal. In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education. And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey. School in Turkey is about actually learning and carring about each other. (I am a Turkish-French. I live in both coutries.)

"In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying

Attacking someone else like this is against HN's rules and will get your account banned, so could you please not do it here? Instead, please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly or not at all.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by bariscimen »

buraksarica wrote: post #42
bariscimen wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying

Do you have opportunity to compare? I mean he/she at least is bi-national. Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?

Yes I've. And you don't have to be a 'bi-national'. - 'And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey.' statement is not true also.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/turkey-e... https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/islam-ottoman-er... https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-new...

-'Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?' We all know in Turkey, government and their 'AK Trolls'(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK_Trolls) are just manipulating people with disinformation. And this guy/girl is just one of them, not more or less.

Re: Turkey's 'Mathematics Village': Changing education one equation at a time

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Post by bariscimen »

dang wrote: post #48
bariscimen wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying

Attacking someone else like this is against HN's rules and will get your account banned, so could you please not do it here? Instead, please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly or not at all.

Sorry, I did not know the rule about 'lying'. I just added some arguments on this thread.
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