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Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by candiodari »

dd36 wrote: post #33
Alex3917 wrote: post #21

I'm 33 and my spouse is 31, we just had our first child. Of our 20 or so closest white friends, there are exactly two couples with babies. Most aren't even married yet. This is in NYC so I expect that we're outliers, but given that fertility starts declining significantly around 35, I've got to imagine our friend group won't even be close to the replacement rate. So unless we're not just outliers but extreme outliers…

Agree. Student loan debt, lack of geographic distribution well-paying jobs, high cost of living by rentier capitalists in the places where those jobs exist means a crash in family creation. It takes comfort to start a family.

The article does report this. The problem seems to be much more a lack of ability to have children (or a perceived lack of ability), more so than a lack of will.

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Post by candiodari »

to_bpr wrote: post #17
RIMR wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because racists are terrified of the idea of non-whites making up a larger percentage of the population than they do currently.

It's this vicious rhetoric and finger pointing that lead to the election of Donald J Trump.

You are getting downvoted ... one wonders what those people think. On the first sight you would think that those people would not want Trump to get elected (or re-elected).

But is doing that downvoting likely to increase or decrease the chances of votes for Trump ? I'm pretty sure it's increasing those chances.

So that brings the question ... are these people stupid ? Not wanting to discuss (and hopefully fix) the reason Trump got elected is not going to help.

Or, I guess, perhaps they're Russian.

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Post by candiodari »

oh_sigh wrote: post #14
smithmayowa wrote: post #2

This phenomenon and a host of other's happening in U.S currently are the reasons why trump was elected. Edit: relax people I'm black not racist what I mean to say is that the rise of China's economy and the dwindling influence of whites in the sphere of things globally is what brought trump to power

Everyone has a 'reason' why Trump was elected, but for some reason people can only see this in a post-hoc fashion. How many people were talking about 'the reason Trump will be elected' before Nov 8th 2016? It's easy to backport your beliefs onto known events, but you really have no basis for believing it to be a better than random predictor of the future.

Here's one such person that seems to have a better claim in that regard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams#2016_United_States...

It comes with bad news (last paragraph):

http://blog.dilbert.com/2017/07/30/the-turn-to-effective-but...

I frankly don't get what the problem is. The tax reform was a given (Ms. Clinton was also talking about it). The borders thing was a given (Obama was already doing most of it, including separating children by the way), and as for the wall paid by Mexico ... I'm not seeing it, nor do I see the chances in a good light. The trade war with China ... again ... started by Obama, and Hillary was certainly not talking about rolling it back. So again this would have been a difference in degree at best, certainly not a turnaround (and euhm ... I actually agree with the trade-war. The situation with China for the past 10 years simply cannot continue).

With Trump the rhetoric changed quite a bit. But that's about it.

Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by candiodari »

moufestaphio wrote: post #28
jefurii wrote: post #9

I'm white. As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. All I see are white people bashing people of color, and other white people standing on the sidelines doing nothing concrete to stop it. [edited for clarity]

>As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. Is this a round about way of saying 'if all the white people died it would fix our problems'? I personally don't think it's a very helpful sentiment to say things like "If this group of people didn't exist, we wouldn't have a problem".

Yes, as can be clearly seen on the street in Mumbai ... or the Damascus (or frankly, the same thing can be seen in Paris). And those are just the ones I've visited.

Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by himom »

Alex3917 wrote: post #21

I'm 33 and my spouse is 31, we just had our first child. Of our 20 or so closest white friends, there are exactly two couples with babies. Most aren't even married yet. This is in NYC so I expect that we're outliers, but given that fertility starts declining significantly around 35, I've got to imagine our friend group won't even be close to the replacement rate. So unless we're not just outliers but extreme outliers…

Yeah, it seems like more and more people are delaying kids until it’s “now or never” scenario. Not good. Have kids as early as possible because of the work and energy involved.

It’s not just fertility that declines, but IQ and a rise in birth defects.

Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by jefurii »

moufestaphio wrote: post #28
jefurii wrote: post #9

I'm white. As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. All I see are white people bashing people of color, and other white people standing on the sidelines doing nothing concrete to stop it. [edited for clarity]

>As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. Is this a round about way of saying 'if all the white people died it would fix our problems'? I personally don't think it's a very helpful sentiment to say things like "If this group of people didn't exist, we wouldn't have a problem".

> Is this a round about way of saying 'if all the white people died it would fix our problems'?

Nope, I've seen racism perpetrated by people of every color to know that wouldn't solve anything. I guess it's an emotional response to the situation in our country today. I'm frustrated and sad that people who look like me have done and are doing so much bad stuff to people of color.

When you boil it down, much of the bad that's being done is in the name of "preserving the white race" or some such. I don't think it's a bad thing to preserve the memory of my ancestors, but if the only way to do that is to hurt other people I don't think it's worth it.

Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by jefurii »

to_bpr wrote: post #34
jefurii wrote: post #9

I'm white. As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. All I see are white people bashing people of color, and other white people standing on the sidelines doing nothing concrete to stop it. [edited for clarity]

You're so virtuous. swoon .

yeah whatever. what are you doing to help things?

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Post by ElectricalPast »

lossolo wrote: post #37
txsh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Population deceleration is a global crisis and virtually nobody is talking about it. It could mean the end of Western civilization. Our governments are built upon the assumption that the population will continue to increase, that there will be more taxpayers tomorrow to shoulder the burden of today’s spending. When the population begins to decrease in a few decades, every successive generation will have a lo…

> Population deceleration is a global crisis Earth (global) problem is overpopulation. Depopulation is only a problem for western civilization /highly developed countries. Ask India, China or African countries do they need more citizens.

You are correct - developing nations such as China, India, and many countries in Africa do need more people in order to grow.

Unfortunately, current models show their growth ending before they are wealthy.

In other words - there's a good chance these countries will get old before they get rich.

China is #1 example of this:

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/china-birth-l...

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Post by ElectricalPast »

candiodari wrote: post #40
ElectricalPast wrote: post #6

This is simple mathematics. If your birthrate is below replacement rate, pretty soon your population's births will outnumber its deaths. The only reason the United States hasn't seen a shrinking population (and stagnating economy) like much of Europe and Japan is due to immigration: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/10/16631980/fertili...

Integration is the central story every government in Europe is preaching. It doesn't seem to be happening (and where it does, not nearly fast enough to matter). Now you might say "so they don't have your culture, big deal". No, that's not what I mean. I mean middle eastern sections in big european cities have unemployment rates that are only a little better than middle eastern cities, and that simply won't work. Effe…

First - I said nothing about integration.

But if we're going down that road, Second - America has been absorbing and integrating millions of people throughout its history and has only been the wealthier for it.

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Post by uoaei »

candiodari wrote: post #40
ElectricalPast wrote: post #6

This is simple mathematics. If your birthrate is below replacement rate, pretty soon your population's births will outnumber its deaths. The only reason the United States hasn't seen a shrinking population (and stagnating economy) like much of Europe and Japan is due to immigration: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/10/16631980/fertili...

Integration is the central story every government in Europe is preaching. It doesn't seem to be happening (and where it does, not nearly fast enough to matter). Now you might say "so they don't have your culture, big deal". No, that's not what I mean. I mean middle eastern sections in big european cities have unemployment rates that are only a little better than middle eastern cities, and that simply won't work. Effe…

Europe doesn't quite know what to do with the massive influx of new faces. Governments say 'integration' but they shove them off into corners of the city because they can't afford to take the city housing from the established population.

America was literally built by people showing up and carving out a life for themselves. There is something about the culture that offers more room for that to happen once you arrive.

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