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Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Re: Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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Post by bena »

mullingitover wrote: post #8
smithmayowa wrote: post #2

This phenomenon and a host of other's happening in U.S currently are the reasons why trump was elected. Edit: relax people I'm black not racist what I mean to say is that the rise of China's economy and the dwindling influence of whites in the sphere of things globally is what brought trump to power

I thought he was elected due to a peculiarity in the US election system that sometimes allows the person who got fewer votes to seize power.

I thought Trump got 304 votes to Clinton's 227? /s-ish

You are complaining because Trump didn't win the popular vote. The popular vote doesn't matter. Winning states matter. Each state gets a certain number of votes that that state determines how to allocate to any candidate. Most states choose to give those votes to whomever got the most votes in the state.

It does not have to be this way.

Hell, we've had a president win the election that didn't win either the popular or electoral vote.

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Post by dzdt »

The major demographic story of the century will be peak population. For the first time in the history of civilisation population will fall year after year instead of growing. All sorts of economic things that people take for granted will be questioned. Its much harder to fund pay-as-you-go retirement programs if the workforce size is decreasing. How much of GDP growth is dependent on population growth? You have to expect a decrease in average investment returns when populations shrink. Etc. Etc.

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Post by dd36 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #21

I'm 33 and my spouse is 31, we just had our first child. Of our 20 or so closest white friends, there are exactly two couples with babies. Most aren't even married yet. This is in NYC so I expect that we're outliers, but given that fertility starts declining significantly around 35, I've got to imagine our friend group won't even be close to the replacement rate. So unless we're not just outliers but extreme outliers…

Agree. Student loan debt, lack of geographic distribution well-paying jobs, high cost of living by rentier capitalists in the places where those jobs exist means a crash in family creation. It takes comfort to start a family.

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Post by to_bpr »

jefurii wrote: post #9

I'm white. As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. All I see are white people bashing people of color, and other white people standing on the sidelines doing nothing concrete to stop it. [edited for clarity]

You're so virtuous. swoon.

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Post by Jayvino »

mullingitover wrote: post #8
smithmayowa wrote: post #2

This phenomenon and a host of other's happening in U.S currently are the reasons why trump was elected. Edit: relax people I'm black not racist what I mean to say is that the rise of China's economy and the dwindling influence of whites in the sphere of things globally is what brought trump to power

I thought he was elected due to a peculiarity in the US election system that sometimes allows the person who got fewer votes to seize power.

The US is a federal republic with founding fathers who knew that democracy is mob rule. The electoral college exists so the biggest states cannot vote in their own best interests, leaving small states automatically losing because they have less people.

California has the highest population state of 38 million people. Trump wanted to bring manufacturing jobs back to the Midwest. Californians will not vote in the interest's of the "fly over states"

https://i.imgur.com/2mlAy7N.png

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Post by Jayvino »

ElectricalPast wrote: post #6

This is simple mathematics. If your birthrate is below replacement rate, pretty soon your population's births will outnumber its deaths. The only reason the United States hasn't seen a shrinking population (and stagnating economy) like much of Europe and Japan is due to immigration: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/10/16631980/fertili...

Your thread is gone from the front page now, even though it was getting a lot of votes.

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Post by lossolo »

txsh wrote: post #20
ElectricalPast wrote: post #6

This is simple mathematics. If your birthrate is below replacement rate, pretty soon your population's births will outnumber its deaths. The only reason the United States hasn't seen a shrinking population (and stagnating economy) like much of Europe and Japan is due to immigration: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/10/16631980/fertili...

Exactly. Population deceleration is a global crisis and virtually nobody is talking about it. It could mean the end of Western civilization. Our governments are built upon the assumption that the population will continue to increase, that there will be more taxpayers tomorrow to shoulder the burden of today’s spending. When the population begins to decrease in a few decades, every successive generation will have a lo…

> Population deceleration is a global crisis

Earth (global) problem is overpopulation. Depopulation is only a problem for western civilization/highly developed countries. Ask India, China or African countries do they need more citizens.

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Post by candiodari »

derping_hacker wrote: post #25
txsh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Population deceleration is a global crisis and virtually nobody is talking about it. It could mean the end of Western civilization. Our governments are built upon the assumption that the population will continue to increase, that there will be more taxpayers tomorrow to shoulder the burden of today’s spending. When the population begins to decrease in a few decades, every successive generation will have a lo…

You're implying that technology won't be able to increase productivity. One of the biggest topics people are talking about is automation taking jobs, so why do we need to worry about population size? Human population grows exponentially, earth has finite resources. Constant population growth is suicidal.

> You're implying that technology won't be able to increase productivity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_stagnation_theory

A component of which is the observation that real production growth has been essentially zero since the 1980s. So clearly you can have technological advances without any productivity growth.

> Human population grows exponentially, earth has finite resources. Constant population growth is suicidal.

Not nearly as suicidal as population decline, obviously.

More nuanced, there are plenty of species, and races within species, that refuse to have their population grow. It doesn't end well.

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Post by genofon »

jefurii wrote: post #9

I'm white. As I watch the news I can't help but think maybe this isn't such a bad thing. All I see are white people bashing people of color, and other white people standing on the sidelines doing nothing concrete to stop it. [edited for clarity]

Even assuming your view represent the real situation (things that I don't believe) do you think that other races (I still use the term despite race not being scientifically a real thing for humans) will do differently?

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Post by candiodari »

ElectricalPast wrote: post #6

This is simple mathematics. If your birthrate is below replacement rate, pretty soon your population's births will outnumber its deaths. The only reason the United States hasn't seen a shrinking population (and stagnating economy) like much of Europe and Japan is due to immigration: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/10/16631980/fertili...

Integration is the central story every government in Europe is preaching. It doesn't seem to be happening (and where it does, not nearly fast enough to matter).

Now you might say "so they don't have your culture, big deal". No, that's not what I mean.

I mean middle eastern sections in big european cities have unemployment rates that are only a little better than middle eastern cities, and that simply won't work. Effectively, with the numbers as they are, immigrants are largely a negative influence, purely economically speaking: they're a drag rather than a gain.

Needless to say, given the political climate shift currently going through Europe, nobody likes reporting this, as it seems rather unlikely to improve anything.

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