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Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Imagine if these three companies used their political clout to push for single payer instead of setting up yet another insurance company.

If you're asking yourself why you're getting downvoted, it's because you committed blasphemy by saying s * * * * p * * * * in the USA.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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I’d say hire that person as the COO. This will be a big organization. I think the person at the top needs to have a strong ideals about the direction of the organization

Healthcare/biotech companies typically have a CMO position (chief medical officer) which carries a lot of weight. I'm surprised that's not the way they went with a surgeon.

They probably offered that to him.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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I know appeal to authority is obviously a bad way to support an argument, but I would imagine one thing the most senior people at Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JPM are fairly decent @ is picking management talent. So if all 3 sides agreed on a pick I would imaging there was pretty compelling case.

I took a short walk down this idea of a vertically integrated system, essentially building the system as a research lab (something like NIH building 10), including approaching some senior people. I sort of wonder if maybe they modified their expectations for the venture after a search revealed that experienced CEOs weren't interested. You have to address questions like "Where are you going to get physicians? Nurses?…

I've also done some work trying to get people to implement different models of care outside of the traditional institutions, and getting physicians on board is just a big hurdle. As a group they are pretty conservative and risk averse, hugely busy, and there aren't a lot of places where they congregate, online or otherwise, so outreach is a bit of hand to hand combat.

I have an untested hypothesis that one of the best ways to get physician mindshare is actually through think pieces in publications like the new yorker or new york times -- just the kind of articles Atul Gawande writes. The physicians that I know read these articles much more actively than they use linked in (most dont) or any other online community

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Tyler Cowen's conversation with Mr Gawande[1] was well worth the time. I don't know enough about him or the new company's plans to speculate on how this will all work out (although: neither does anyone else in this thread), but he's clearly a highly intelligent and thoughtful person with deep domain expertise. I certainly wouldn't bet against.

[1] https://medium.com/conversations-with-tyler/atul-gawande-che...

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Care to share what you found?

Sure. Well every to-do app has most of the functionality you need (Wunderlist is the one I like the best). They have annual reminders so you can put a checklist for taxes or something. BJ Novak has https://li.st/bjnovak/ which is a general list sharing app. It has the social component that I think would be very useful applied to to-do lists. Finally, there are ready made list apps which help you maintain your home, h…

Mulled this idea for quite awhile as the consumer version of an enterprise app I built. PM me if you'd like to chat more on it!

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say hire that person as the COO. This will be a big organization. I think the person at the top needs to have a strong ideals about the direction of the organization

Healthcare/biotech companies typically have a CMO position (chief medical officer) which carries a lot of weight. I'm surprised that's not the way they went with a surgeon.

In an insurance context a CMO would be someone orchestrating coverage policy rather than serving in an advisory capacity iirc. It's a different role for the title.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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BWH culture is crumbling so I won't blame him for seeking other opportunities. However, this is an odd/weak selection where I believe Amazon-Berkshire-Chase will regret. Toby Crosgrove, former Cleveland Clinic CEO, would have been a well-qualified candidate and better choice. He has over 10+ years of leading a highly complex AMC and elevating the organization into the top 3 hospitals in the country for many consecutive years. This man can get things done via transformative, sustainable, and systematic changes. Alternatively, the CEO of Iora Health would have been a good choice too. Let's pause and compare performaces and outcome of between Cleveland Clinic under Crosgrove and Iora Health under their leader, and Adrianes lab under Atul. The result is clear. Atul doesn't have the experience only the Harvard brand. Being a CEO is different from being a professor, surgeon, philosopher, or executive director at the Adrianes Lab. In those roles and physician-led environment where MDs are treated like kings, the medical directors can put in 5-10% of their time with the expertise of administrators, interns, staffs and get away with having the breadth but little depth and claiming to be a SME. Atul seems like a good storyteller and highly intelligent physician, but he is absolutely an individual contributor. Frankly, Boston is full of highly intelligent and innovative people like Atul; the CEO of this venture should have more experience or at least specializes in one of the three verticals. Atul would have been a better executive advisor.

Concerns: - He stated not wanting to give up his privileges of practicing at BWH and professorship at Harvard meaning he can't be fully committed to leading this new organization. This is not an academic medical center environment where a physician can have multiple administrative titles and not put in the hours and work. - Atul's fame is credited to his publication, but also from the prestige of Harvard's affiliations. He knows this and is trying to strategic about not giving that up, but I would hope he realize that truly effective leaders know they can't do everything. Most of those innovator physicians stretch themselves too thin and get their hands into too many pots, making them ineffective. If he's serious, then he needs to commit and prioritize.

IMO, extreme network/lip service must have been invloved in his pursuit or the new venture and company is only buying his fame, reputation, and brand for marketing purposes.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know appeal to authority is obviously a bad way to support an argument, but I would imagine one thing the most senior people at Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JPM are fairly decent @ is picking management talent. So if all 3 sides agreed on a pick I would imaging there was pretty compelling case.

Jeff bezos mentioned they were looking for someone with expert knowledge, a beginner's mind, and a long-term perspective. Any leader of a current large healthcare organization would probably fail the 2nd and potentially 3rd criteria. In light of these criteria, the choice of Atul Gawande makes sense

That’s actually my point, I would argue Gawande doesn’t have expert knowledge. Being an expert surgeon is a very different skill set than an expert in healthcare delivery and management.

Let’s take the checklist manifesto, a fantastic idea that unfortunately isn’t as widely applied as it should be. Why? Because if you ask most surgeons they’ll say, “yeah it’s a great idea, I do it already/I don’t need to do it though because I’m that good”. In practice it doesn’t get applied because humans have ego and incentives get misaligned. It’s not actually that beneficial to reduce complications in surgery for the hospital as long as the patient is insured. And it’s not that beneficial for the insurance company to reduce costs because fundamentally as long as the insurance company can accurately predict how much costs will rise next year, they still make money. They just need to know how much premiums will go up.

Healthcare is full of great ideas and ways to make things better, but they often just don’t get implemented because the whole system is so poorly set up. I don’t see any evidence that Gawande for all his talents has a good approach or the expertise to break through all that.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say hire that person as the COO. This will be a big organization. I think the person at the top needs to have a strong ideals about the direction of the organization

Healthcare/biotech companies typically have a CMO position (chief medical officer) which carries a lot of weight. I'm surprised that's not the way they went with a surgeon.

I agree, this is exactly where I’d have hired him. He’s be perfect as the soul and conscience of this company.
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