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Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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If you want to learn a little more about how Atul Gawande looks at the healthcare system read Being Mortal. IMHO it's more relevant than Checklist Manifesto, esp. wrt what Amazon could do here: https://www.amazon.com/Being-Mortal-Medicine-What-Matters/dp...

While Checklist Manifesto is about operational efficiency and quality, Being Mortal is about asking if we're doing the right things in the first place.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

I know appeal to authority is obviously a bad way to support an argument, but I would imagine one thing the most senior people at Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JPM are fairly decent @ is picking management talent. So if all 3 sides agreed on a pick I would imaging there was pretty compelling case.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His ideas aren't that impressive. All of his language still talks of "delivery" of health care. It's like listening to someone talk of new ways to deliver pizza. Your new delivery method may be revolutionary, but delivery is only a small part of the business. You are still delivering the same pizza. You aren't questioning whether the pizza is helping the people eating it, or whether it should be delivered in the firs…

> [...] rethink how many prescriptions they shovel into the population. They need to rethink how they pigeonhole patients. They need to get people exercising. Those changes aren't going to come from anyone still talking about "how we deliver health care". If you went to investors and used that as a pitch you'd be laughed out quick. Need to get people exercising? That's exactly the sort of unrealistic target that you…

>> to get people exercising? That's exactly the sort of unrealistic target that you don't want to have if you're going to run a company.

Funny. Morning exercises were are part of Japanese corporate culture for a generation. In many European countries employers are expected to support employee fitness goals. My job (military) mandates that we all be given five one-hour periods each week to exercise. Not weekends, during the work day. It is totally normal for someone to go from meeting to the gym and back again during the day. Our civilian employees participate in this too, although they aren't tested.

I think it totally reasonable for any large company to make exercise part of their corporate culture, particularly in the US where employers are so involved in health care. Anyone laughing such ideas out of the room needs to broaden their horizons.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

>Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust No, he’s not. No offense to him, but he’s a -popularizer-. He takes various bits the HC quality improvement folks have been talking about / doing for years and writes (very articulate, engaging) articles that make it accessible to the wider community, including the wider medical community that normally isn’t in…

That's not at all the case.

http://atulgawande.com/about/

Atul Gawande, MD, MPH, is a surgeon, writer, and public health researcher. He practices general and endocrine surgery at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He is Professor in the Department of Health Policy and Management at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and the Samuel O. Thier Professor of Surgery at Harvard Medical School. He is also Executive Director of Ariadne Labs, a joint center for health systems innovation, and Chairman of Lifebox, a nonprofit organization making surgery safer globally.

http://atulgawande.com/research/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Gawande%20AA%5BAut...

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

from my experience, getting these senior insiders to lead a newco would just result in more incremental innovation. Most of them came up in and benefited from the current broken system and are either too conservative to embrace drastic change or don't want to rock the boat. I don't think something like Kaiser could be easily rebuilt from scratch, but I don't know too much about the Mayo Clinic except for its reputati…

"from my experience, getting these senior insiders to lead a newco would just result in more incremental innovation. Most of them came up in and benefited from the current broken system and are either too conservative to embrace drastic change or don't want to rock the boat. "

Exactly. Reminds me of some parts of the IT department in my company. I don't trust anybody who has worked there for a few years because any reasonable person would have left or lost his mind. They certainly will not be innovators.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

I know appeal to authority is obviously a bad way to support an argument, but I would imagine one thing the most senior people at Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JPM are fairly decent @ is picking management talent. So if all 3 sides agreed on a pick I would imaging there was pretty compelling case.

I took a short walk down this idea of a vertically integrated system, essentially building the system as a research lab (something like NIH building 10), including approaching some senior people. I sort of wonder if maybe they modified their expectations for the venture after a search revealed that experienced CEOs weren't interested.

You have to address questions like "Where are you going to get physicians? Nurses? Ancillary staff of all kinds?"

The real estate and financial models are trivial by comparison.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

I know appeal to authority is obviously a bad way to support an argument, but I would imagine one thing the most senior people at Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JPM are fairly decent @ is picking management talent. So if all 3 sides agreed on a pick I would imaging there was pretty compelling case.

Jeff bezos mentioned they were looking for someone with expert knowledge, a beginner's mind, and a long-term perspective. Any leader of a current large healthcare organization would probably fail the 2nd and potentially 3rd criteria. In light of these criteria, the choice of Atul Gawande makes sense

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

>Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust No, he’s not. No offense to him, but he’s a -popularizer-. He takes various bits the HC quality improvement folks have been talking about / doing for years and writes (very articulate, engaging) articles that make it accessible to the wider community, including the wider medical community that normally isn’t in…

I wouldn't call him a popularizer, I'd call him a good communicator, which is an essential trait to any leader, especially one trying to do something long term and visionary. Effectively communicating new ideas to the wider medical community, especially super busy physicians, is really hard, and is the first step towards driving physician-led change in the healthcare system.

I dont think his ideas are shallow or one dimensional, but I havent read all of his work. I'd certainly push back against the comparison to Malcolm Gladwell -- atul gawande is a practicing surgeon and professor at one of the most well respected hospitals in the world. If Malcolm Gladwell wrote about the 10,000 hour rule from his personal experience becoming, say, a chess grand master through 10,000 hours of practice, then the comparison would be more apt

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Atul Gawande is a brilliant person with interesting ideas on how to make healthcare more humane and robust. This is still probably a terrible choice of CEO. To my knowledge he has never run a large organization or dealt directly with the complex backend of the healthcare system. The was healthcare is delivered and paid for is full of independent, semi monopolistic players that have often conflicting incentives. Oh an…

I’d say hire that person as the COO. This will be a big organization. I think the person at the top needs to have a strong ideals about the direction of the organization

Healthcare/biotech companies typically have a CMO position (chief medical officer) which carries a lot of weight. I'm surprised that's not the way they went with a surgeon.

Re: Surgeon Atul Gawande selected as CEO of new health care company from Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering how f...ed up the American health system is on all levels I am fine with giving an outsider a chance. Gawande appears to be a reasonable guy and a good communicator. Even if he fails, nothing is lost because the system can't get worse.

This is exactly the same logic I heard used by many people voting for Trump. The truth is that there usually is a real downside from failure, even if it feels like our huge systems are as bad as they can get. In other words, while we do have an expensive system with worse outcomes than peer nations, at least right now we have healthcare being delivered at a first-world level, and we shouldn't take that for granted.

Comparing the presidency to this CEO position is just silly.
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