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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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The comments here are more interesting than the article itself. Looks like the real issue was a UX snafu on YouTube's part that support had trouble resolving for too long. Let's hope YouTube does better in the future. However, if you read the comments here, they paint a sinister portrait of YouTube that has nothing to do with Blender's issue. Some examples: - ads are required for big channels (false) - demonetization…

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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> As we understand it now it’s ... and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel. You still seem to be wrong. Or am I missing something else?

"non-standard" != "need to enable ads"

Only after months of Kafkaesque confusion and repeated inquiries were they able to obtain a deviation from what youtube is calling their standard.

Whether you want to call that an iron-clad rule or not, the face-value version of the article, and the general gist of the reactions from the comment section seem to be much closer to the truth than your portrayal of it as an "unrelated and false pet peeve."

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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> Aside from the fact that Blender is a non-profit backing a free, open-source application The Blender Foundation isn't "Blender", though. It's a financial entity with income (there's literally a giant "donate" link on their home page) and expenses. They pay for all sorts of stuff that they need (obviously I have no clue what their balance sheet looks like). And no one whines that they don't get free conference admis…

Actually, tech conferences are expensive to attend, and there's been a growing movement the past few years for conferences to at least comp the ticket of someone who's scheduled to speak.

Fair enough. But I don't see rage posts at the top of HN about how Blender can't get a free ticket at SIGGRAPH.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

#394

The comments here are more interesting than the article itself. Looks like the real issue was a UX snafu on YouTube's part that support had trouble resolving for too long. Let's hope YouTube does better in the future. However, if you read the comments here, they paint a sinister portrait of YouTube that has nothing to do with Blender's issue. Some examples: - ads are required for big channels (false) - demonetization…

People might be upset because it's emotionally painful to watch a property that was once a middle finger to "the man" become wholly co-opted. And to see channel after channel with interesting and unique content get disappeared due to misalignment with establishment priorities.

The cases which may not apply here, like requiring ads, are real issues that don't get the visibility that the victims deserve. So when a high visibility incident like this happens, people highlight the plight of those past (and current) victims even if not wholly applicable to this case.

Maybe you're right that using this platform to highlight the host of well-documented problems with the platform is "off-topic", but it's understandable and logical when you understand the bigger picture and community here.

That and the number of coincidental "mistakes" in this story requires serious suspension of disbelief. One wonders whether any of those mistakes would have been caught had the channel been lower profile.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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You know, the value proposition of YouTube Red/Premium (extra features in the Android app, no ads on any device) is just starting to blossom as YouTube alienates a major portion of their most productive creators, in an apparent bid to build yet another TV channel nobody wants to watch or pay for.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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If only things were so simple. This reminds me how not too long ago, how everyone was trying to make a clone of HN and Reddit within 24 hours in x programming language. It's one thing make a service for few 100 users, it's a different beast to serve millions of users. In case of Online Videos, it is not only extremely difficult, it still remains very expensive. There is literally a handful of companies who can financ…

> There is literally a handful of companies who can financially and technically pull it off at youtube-scale. Only a few companies that can do it centrally. Peer to Peer technology was doing it before youtube existed.

Youtube is anything but centralized, they literally pioneered distributed video content with their GGC nodes, with at least 10s of thousands of nodes all over the world. They may not be the first, but almost definitely the largest.

I don't understand why you are mentioning peer to peer technology? What does that have to do with anything? Youtube is not a cute side project where your viewing experience depending on how many peers your video has. Peertube depends on webtorrent, you literally have to host and seed every single video on your platform and duplicate it multiple times by others. Good luck doing it over petabyte scale. Google does something similar, but popular videos are hosted at users-end point on GGC nodes, distributed over 10,000s of servers all over the world.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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"Last night the Youtube Support team contacted Francesco Siddi by phone. As we understand it now it’s a mix of coincidences, bad UIs, wrong error messages, ignorant support desk staff and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel."

> As we understand it now it’s ... and our non-standard decision to not monetize a popular Youtube channel. You still seem to be wrong. Or am I missing something else?

I read that to mean that support didn't know how to deal with the situation because it's rare, not that Youtube doesn't allow that situation.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Is there a reason I don't want to expose my public IP address? Every server I connect to knows my IP address. Connecting to bittorrent would give you the following information: * Key (IP) to connect to other data sources (but joins will be dirty, IP addresses change, people use multiple ip address, multiple people use the same ip address). * ISP name * Rough location (mine says I'm in a suburb about 20 miles away, wh…

> Is there a reason I don't want to expose my public IP address? Yes, I like my privacy. > Every server I connect to knows my IP address. And in this case it is every server plus every peer which is a much larger number of people having this information. > * Key (IP) to connect to other data sources (but joins will be dirty, IP addresses change, people use multiple ip address, multiple people use the same ip address)…

> People using multiple IP addresses isn't always the case. Multiple people using the same IP address is not always the case.

I think sharing ip addresses, and using multiple ones, is probably the most common case in The United States.

Most households have multiple internet users and one ip addresses. Most people have a cellphone connected to the internet. A lot of people access the internet in locations like offices, school, and libraries.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

#399

So I had a look at Peertube and had the friendly reminder "The sharing system used by this video implies that some technical information about your system (such as a public IP address) can be accessed publicly." Which is then expanded on in an about page: "PeerTube uses the BitTorrent protocol to share bandwidth between users. It implies that your public IP address is stored in the public BitTorrent tracker of the vi…

They are only concerned with creating a platform for sharing videos with the mentioned advantages. The privacy part is a separate concern not to force people into connecting to the federated network in only one way. Someone can always create / use a client that has Tor or VPN built-in.
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