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Post by rasjani »

ihsw2 wrote: post #269
1over137 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Netherlands has edibles in its cafes, whereas Canada is not allowing edibles in the new regime (yet).

Which is unfortunate because cannabis edibles are the most accessible way to consume it in privacy and without the odor or smokey exhaust. There is research on THC-infused drinks that match the alcoholic beverage experience in time-to-inebriation and the duration of inebriation. Current methods of cannabis consumption stretch the experience out over a long period, which naturally is unfeasible for restaurant venues a…

Edibles do not “work” for everybody.

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Post by compcoffee »

AlexC04 wrote: post #100
gschier wrote: post #51

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It's essentially "legal" in Canada already so no one really cares about it that much.

Oh no... now that it is legal, a number of the publicly traded cannabis companies will be able to actually start selling the product they’ve been stockpiling over the last year. Everything we’ve seen for estimates is that even then, we’re only going to meet 50% of the demand. Canopy Growth Corp, CBW, Aphira, Abcann... there are actually dozens of them and they’re going to be in for a good year for now and (hopefully)…

>a number of the publicly traded cannabis companies will be able to actually start selling the product they’ve been stockpiling over the last year

Can you link to anything that says Canada is going to allow uninhibited access to the market from these companies? Currently they are licensed for medicinal use only.

I'm skeptical. The government is not going to mint pot billionaires. It will be tightly controlled.

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Post by WhompingWindows »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #278
Cofike wrote: post #127

I was born in Buffalo, no longer there due to lack of tech jobs (that isn’t blue cross blue shield). The Canadian side of Niagara Falls already destroys our side. Much more development. Way more activities to do. Gorgeous view of the falls. All around better. Now that weed is legalized this will only become more and more apparent. They will attract more individuals from both sides of the border and I bet see much mor…

Personally, I prefer the American side more. It has a more park like feel to it where you can enjoy the falls while sitting on the lawn, away from car honks and road noise. The Canadian side seems like an urban jungle with the waterfalls take a side step to tall hotel buildings and casinos.

The view from the Canadian side, though, is just superior.

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Post by schrectacular »

chx wrote: post #294

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to…

Isn't there some friction here with regards to nationalized health care? Society at large will pay for the poor health decisions of individual citizens.

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Post by dalbasal »

zajd wrote: post #319
dalbasal wrote: post #313

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This is (imo) a terrible failing in our political thinking. We narrate our stories using abstractions & personifications, mixing symbolic and regular language. What we end up is more poetry than anything. It sounds good when it expresses our feelings. This is (to quote Monty python) no basis for a system of government (or thought). What/who's intention was it, that you mention above? Are we talking about actual indiv…

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281296850_Drug_abus... > The paper argues that Japan's 'war on drugs' in the 1980s was a direct result of pressure from the United States to adopt harsher sanctions and from a punitive Japanese public that associates drug use with poor self-control. I think you'll find a similar story elsewhere

I suspect you will, if you're goal is to find a "connect the dots" narrative eminating from some centre. We can argue about which dots and which lines are more important, but before all that...

What is that centre, in nonsymbolic language? Actual people who consciously designed a plan to terrorise and marginalize minorities? I don't think that's what the op (or the writers he cites) are claiming. I suspect what they mean is more abstract. Something like:

The biases, concious or otherwise permeating society influenced the decision making in such a way as to... IE a personification.

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Post by bogle »

fredley wrote: post #290
tachyonbeam wrote: post #284

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I'm Canadian and I think legalization is the right choice, but I think there is some dishonesty on both sides, which is doing everyone a disservice. The anti-cannabis people will say it's a "gateway drug" and that it will destroy your life, while some elements on the the pro-cannabis side would have you believe it's some sort of panacea. The reality is that it can cause intense anxiety and paranoia in some people, an…

Absolutely - this is an example case where the legal status of the drug I don't think would have made a difference, the drug clearly had a profound effect on this individual. Cannabis is by no means a safe drug (no drugs are 100% safe), but it does tend to get painted as either black or white by either side. The politicisation of the issue makes it hard to have a rational discussion around drug risks, and harms, espe…

The UK drug laws are, generally speaking, an absolute disgrace. I think if you wanted an example of the ways not to go about it then the UK would be a fine place to study (but not live).

The apex was the dismissing of Professor David Nutt (great name for fans of nominative determinism, by the way) for speaking truth to power.

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Post by dmix »

pimlottc wrote: post #296
rayiner wrote: post #279

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The last point is unsupportable. The increase in crime rate started in the 1960s: https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2016/07/Violent-Crim... . By 1982, when Reagan declared the war on drugs, violent crime had nearly quadrupled since 1960, and was near the eventual 1992 peak. It had already more than doubled by 1972 when Nixon first used the phrase “war on drugs” (though it wasn’t Reagan that actually waged that…

Your link shows violent crime. Parent comment addressed drug crimes. It’s not clear to me how related those two things are.

It's popularily known the rise in violence and gun related homicides in the 1980s-1990s coincided with the explosion of crack cocaine (and a lesser extent heroin) and the proliferation of modern street gangs as we know them today (ie. bloods, crips, bd, gd, etc) in urban ghettos.

It's not difficult to find stats showing the vast majority of victims of violent crime happen in the same neighborhoods where drugs and drug sales coexist. Whether or not it's directly related it's at least a significant driving factor financing violent criminals and intertwined into related cultures as 'respected' professions.

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Post by elif »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #323
0xcafecafe wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I prefer the American side more. It has a more park like feel to it where you can enjoy the falls while sitting on the lawn, away from car honks and road noise. The Canadian side seems like an urban jungle with the waterfalls take a side step to tall hotel buildings and casinos.

The view from the Canadian side, though, is just superior.

Actually, I think it's Erie.

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Post by stanmancan »

schrectacular wrote: post #324
chx wrote: post #294

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to…

Isn't there some friction here with regards to nationalized health care? Society at large will pay for the poor health decisions of individual citizens.

I’m honestly curious how many people don’t do drugs solely because it’s illegal? How many people are thinking “I’d love to try meth; if only it were legal!”

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Post by elif »

schrectacular wrote: post #324
chx wrote: post #294

I have a very simple world view which, I guess, could be considered a radically liberal one: everyone can do as they please as long as it doesn't tread on the same rights of another person. You want to inject, snort or sniff something? Go ahead! It's your body, after all. Neither I, nor any government should have anything to say about this. Obviously, you should not operate a vehicle while intoxicated and we need to…

Isn't there some friction here with regards to nationalized health care? Society at large will pay for the poor health decisions of individual citizens.

If cannabis use results in higher health costs.

However, the preponderance of research suggests a null hypothesis at worst and a reduction in cancer rates and opiate dependency at best.

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