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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by netheril96 »

daveid wrote: post #28
saintPirelli wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this can be interpreted as a future edge for distributed platforms like mastodon, where you might not find "the responsible person/company" right away?

I'm seeing the opposite, as independent platforms like Mastodon won't be able to implement content ID they won't be complying with this new law, which means it'll potentially become legally dangerous to run Mastodon within the EU. It's like the EU parliament is bent on giving all the cards to Google and Facebook and shutting down European competition...

I guess the EU's reasoning is that because there hasn't been any European competition for all these years, there probably won't ever be, so they might as well make those pesky American companies miserable.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by kasey_junk »

winkeltripel wrote: post #48
sqdbps wrote: post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

> much of what the EU does is try to hurt US tech companies Well, somebody's got to take the fight to US tech titans. They're unhealthy for every economy.

I think that is a defendable position so long as you are willing to accept the other side, which is massive tariffs against big EU industries.

Someone has to take it to the German auto industry which has used lies & deception to up their market share while destroying the environment.

Note that I disagree with both points, but they are internally consistent so long as you accept both.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Silhouette »

detaro wrote: post #40
Silhouette wrote: post #27

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So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. But not that much time. The main European Parliament vote is due in July. For those of you in the EU, now is probably a good time to be writing to your MEPs.

No, in July is (assuming someone will force it, which is likely) the vote by the EP to confirm the the committee is authorized to work with the Council on the plans. Whatever the negotiate out will then by voted on by the MEPs. The negotiation is likely to take a few months, and I kind of expect a fight about the speed: those against the proposal will want to stall to get the vote as close as possible to the election…

Right, but today's vote was just a committee. Next month it comes before the full Parliament. If sufficient awareness can be raised among MEPs before the vote next month that it becomes a toxic issue politically, my understanding is that voting it down at that stage would be an opportunity to effectively stop the whole process.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by pas »

sebst wrote: post #24
raverbashing wrote: post #13

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I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

False. They will shoot themselves in the foot, yes. But at least in Germany, Google is the only entity which was granted a free "licence" by the collecting society. This puts Google in a better place than any other news aggregator.

Any lawsuit in progress with regards to that?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by bengale »

merinowool wrote: post #36
Silhouette wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. But not that much time. The main European Parliament vote is due in July. For those of you in the EU, now is probably a good time to be writing to your MEPs.

If this law has already been paid for, what you would get from your MEP is a template response in the spirit of "I share your concerns blah blah, but copyrights are important blah blah". I don't think you can do much about it at this point.

I'm in the UK. Conservative MEP did as you said, Labour one sent a bit of a boilerplate that they are considering it, UKIP are of course against it but thats par for the course with them, the green one sent a detailed response and is voting against both art 11 and 13 (the ones I raised issue with).

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by nairboon »

indigochill wrote: post #9

If I may play the devil's advocate for a moment here, isn't this a boon for decentralizing media? If third-party publishers like YouTube are crippled, perhaps there's more room for self-hosting your content, enabling you to build your brand on your own terms rather than YouTube's? Perhaps it's time to stop outsourcing the publication of our content to third-parties and host it ourselves, especially now that granularl…

You're right, it's not just good decentralizing media, but for decentralized everything. The technology to go fully decentralized has been ready for years, but its usability is still lacking (high latency, low bandwidth etc.). But at some point, if the copyright industry goes to far and the existing services are significantly reduced or outlawed, decentralized solutions become attractive again.

Right now the offer from Netflix is somewhat ok, although extremely reduced due to geographical restrictions, so not much need for Popcorntime. If the offer is further reduced while keeping the same price, at some point it'll be time for popcorn again...

Analogously, if this media linking copyright stuff goes through and too far, somebody might build the popcorntime equivalent for news consumption...

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by outsidetheparty »

VMG wrote: post #45
outsidetheparty wrote: post #31

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How do you figure? Doesn't matter if you're connecting via VPN or Tor if what you're connecting to has been scrubbed by these inane regulations. Unless you're expecting the whole internet to go all rebel pirate underground, which seems... implausible.

I expect companies to migrate to saner regulatory environments and geofilter the EU. VPN/Tor will help circumvent this.

Hm. Saner regulatory environments seem to be pretty thin on the ground, lately.

Not sure I share your optimism that a significant number of companies will be willing to abandon a major world market, or to depend on a nudge-nudge-wink-wink "bypass our geofence and we'll pretend we don't notice your EU billing address" kind of thing...

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by CloudNetworking »

hesk wrote: post #34
josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

The law was basically made at the publisher’s behest to get Google to pay them. So far, it has spectularly backfired. In Germany, Google started to delist news sites from their index. After traffic dropped, the publishers gave Google a license to link freely. Law defeated. In Spain, they went a bit further and wrote into the law that Google had to list news sites in their index. So Google News shut down in Spain. Law…

Google News is still shut in Spain: https://support.google.com/news/answer/6140047?hl=es

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ahartmetz »

merinowool wrote: post #58
r3bl wrote: post #51

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You should really look up how EU regulations work.

Enlighten me please, as I don't believe the reasons for passing it are genuine.

Lobbyists don't usually hand over money. Usually they are just good at appearing trustworthy and, uh, explaining the positions of their clients in terms that politicians understand.

Therefore, their explainees think they are doing genuinely good things.

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