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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

I wrote a Romanian news concentrator as a hobby project, guess I will have to put it down now. They were 99% bullshit anyway - clickbait and fake news. That's what they are protecting.

Why not just use URL shortener outside of EU?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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> They voted to approve the controversial Article 13, which critics warn could put an end to memes, remixes and other user-generated content. This won’t put an end to memes. It might encourage innovation around decentralization, though. It won’t end the internet, but given all of the stuff like this happening recently, it might be time for the internet to evolve. The technologies have been around for a while as a cur…

This will encourage centralization to the few big services that can afford to build a Content ID system for recognizing copyrighted content. It will cement the position of big players like Facebook and YouTube, and squash any small startup that might try to compete with them.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

Another thing is that the media are licensed, so they cannot go against the government out of fear of losing such license. Now, one could assume that this copyright thing is a smokescreen to introduce EU wide censorship as everything users upload would have to be checked for "copyright breach".

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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> They voted to approve the controversial Article 13, which critics warn could put an end to memes, remixes and other user-generated content. This won’t put an end to memes. It might encourage innovation around decentralization, though. It won’t end the internet, but given all of the stuff like this happening recently, it might be time for the internet to evolve. The technologies have been around for a while as a cur…

I hope you're right on this. Decentralization is what the internet was actually build for. Centralization, on the other side, brought the web to less technical people and thus scaled so massively. Can technical literacy which certainly increased (in some ways) lead to a new era of decentralization or will that be the fatal end of a symbolic "Eternal September"?

I was kinda skeptic about federation at first (mastodon, GNU.social etc), but i've installed and tested a nextcloud platform for one of my client and i've been really impressed so far.

It's clunky, a bit bloated (for me, TUI > GUI for 90% of apps, so take it with a grain of salt) and have an average documentation (a pretty good documentation for a free software /s). But despite that, once installed successfully, it is better than most free cloud services i have used imo, except maybe gDrive (integration with email, android calendar and gSuite is hard to beat).

If other federated services can see light, and if people start to care about it, internet will be a better place i think

(sightly related: is lichess federated too? I know you can host a server yourself, but i'm not sure if it's true).

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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I'm excited about this. This will boost VPN, Tor and other technologies that protect users from inane regulations. https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/cryp...

How do you figure? Doesn't matter if you're connecting via VPN or Tor if what you're connecting to has been scrubbed by these inane regulations. Unless you're expecting the whole internet to go all rebel pirate underground, which seems... implausible.

I expect companies to migrate to saner regulatory environments and geofilter the EU. VPN/Tor will help circumvent this.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a Romanian news concentrator as a hobby project, guess I will have to put it down now. They were 99% bullshit anyway - clickbait and fake news. That's what they are protecting.

Why not just use URL shortener outside of EU?

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

In Spain they _had to_ link to publishers, so Google has shut down their service.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

> much of what the EU does is try to hurt US tech companies

Well, somebody's got to take the fight to US tech titans. They're unhealthy for every economy.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

So does this mean *this HN post is illegal because it links to a news article?

Yes. For example meneame.net, a Spanish news aggregator, has no links to any major Spanish newspaper, because a law of this sort is in place in Spain. They would have to pay to link or quote in any way, which includes a description of the link in most cases. Basically you can't write any meaningful text in your .

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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So does this mean *this HN post is illegal because it links to a news article?

No. According to the so called link-tax article, it is not linking but putting content that makes a platform liable. So this HN post would not be illegal because of the link, but maybe because of the title that was "stolen" from the publisher. The aim is at news.google.com and other search engines and news aggregators that include a blurb coming from the article along the link. To be honest, it is not yet clear if th…

But without a sample of the content, the title, links are useless, see my sibling comment.
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