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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by teamhappy »

izacus wrote: post #2

This bill pretty much demands that YouTube Content ID like systems are introduced across the web. With the wording, it's better for the site to delete more content on false positives than risk false negatives. All in the name of mighty copyright. Side effects of these false/negative averse copyright takedown systems can be easily seen on YouTube: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17338700

> With the wording, it's better for the site to delete more content on false positives than risk false negatives.

What makes you say that? Last time I read parts of it I got the impression that if you're trying to get it right you're not liable.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by mrleiter »

It was approved on in a committee of the European parliament (for legal matters), which means that now they will enter negotiations with the European Council and then after some time and processes laid out in Art. 293ff TFEU, it will be debated in the European Parliament at some point.

So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy.

EDIT:

For more info: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180618IPR...

Votes: Yes - 14 MEPs No - 9 MEPs Abstentions - 2 MEPs

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by raverbashing »

josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I'm not too worried about this one.

This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER

It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by sebst »

frisco wrote: post #7

> They voted to approve the controversial Article 13, which critics warn could put an end to memes, remixes and other user-generated content. This won’t put an end to memes. It might encourage innovation around decentralization, though. It won’t end the internet, but given all of the stuff like this happening recently, it might be time for the internet to evolve. The technologies have been around for a while as a cur…

I hope you're right on this.

Decentralization is what the internet was actually build for. Centralization, on the other side, brought the web to less technical people and thus scaled so massively. Can technical literacy which certainly increased (in some ways) lead to a new era of decentralization or will that be the fatal end of a symbolic "Eternal September"?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by sampo »

specializeded wrote: post #5

IIRC, EU citizens helped defeat ACTA by taking to the streets and influencing parliament. Would I be mistaken in believing it can be done again, even without the additional anti-US/trade treaty attitudes that helped against ACTA?

European newspapers are left-leaning, so they were happy to write pieces criticizing free trade treaties.

But now with the proposed link tax in Article 11, the newspapers pretty much support the proposed new copyright law. Without old media, it might be difficult to reach and inform a critical mass of people for demonstrations to happen.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by bogle »

indigochill wrote: post #9

If I may play the devil's advocate for a moment here, isn't this a boon for decentralizing media? If third-party publishers like YouTube are crippled, perhaps there's more room for self-hosting your content, enabling you to build your brand on your own terms rather than YouTube's? Perhaps it's time to stop outsourcing the publication of our content to third-parties and host it ourselves, especially now that granularl…

I think the problem is that if we wish to draw attention to your excellent content then we must repost it or at least link to it. This is where those platforms we repost on will filter the repost (thus the nickname "link tax").

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by LoSboccacc »

specializeded wrote: post #5

IIRC, EU citizens helped defeat ACTA by taking to the streets and influencing parliament. Would I be mistaken in believing it can be done again, even without the additional anti-US/trade treaty attitudes that helped against ACTA?

they didn't defeat acta. lobby money already changed hand, they will keep renaming the bill and trying to showe it down our throats until succesful.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by PinguTS »

indigochill wrote: post #9

If I may play the devil's advocate for a moment here, isn't this a boon for decentralizing media? If third-party publishers like YouTube are crippled, perhaps there's more room for self-hosting your content, enabling you to build your brand on your own terms rather than YouTube's? Perhaps it's time to stop outsourcing the publication of our content to third-parties and host it ourselves, especially now that granularl…

I does not matter who hosts. Because, if you haven't paid your royalties, your are not allowed to host the remix/meme/... yourself.

It hurts also decentralization has anybody who provides space becomes responsible.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by westpfelia »

indigochill wrote: post #9

If I may play the devil's advocate for a moment here, isn't this a boon for decentralizing media? If third-party publishers like YouTube are crippled, perhaps there's more room for self-hosting your content, enabling you to build your brand on your own terms rather than YouTube's? Perhaps it's time to stop outsourcing the publication of our content to third-parties and host it ourselves, especially now that granularl…

I would say it would encourage more networks to band forces just linking to each other not charging one another. Which just leads to growing echochambers.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by visarga »

raverbashing wrote: post #13
josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

I wrote a Romanian news concentrator as a hobby project, guess I will have to put it down now. They were 99% bullshit anyway - clickbait and fake news. That's what they are protecting.
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