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If I had the money, I'd start a non-profit who's goal is to get tech companies, and localities to boycott ICE, NSA and unethical government initiatives. Though, I guess EFF kind of does a lot of that. But, I wouldn't mind devoting all my time to that sort of thing instead of coding all day. :P
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1. There's another billion waiting to enter. 2. There is legal process of entry, they should follow it. 3. Illegal immigration drives down wages, crowding out the most vulnerable citizens of the US. 4. A country decides how and when people are allowed in. There are numerous downsides to mass immigration including stress on services like health, social services and accommodation. Again, to the detriment of citizens.
> There's another billion waiting to enter. I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. Furthermore, legal immigration would not lower wages. It’s the fact that we don’t provide a legalization process that allows people to charge under minimum wage.
I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants.
> legal immigration would not lower wages
I agree. We're talking about illegal immigration though. If everybody followed the legal process, great!
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1. There's another billion waiting to enter. 2. There is legal process of entry, they should follow it. 3. Illegal immigration drives down wages, crowding out the most vulnerable citizens of the US. 4. A country decides how and when people are allowed in. There are numerous downsides to mass immigration including stress on services like health, social services and accommodation. Again, to the detriment of citizens.
What evidence do you have that wages have been driven down illegal immigration?
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings...
> in the unskilled and semi-skilled service sector, a 1% rise in the share of migrants reduced average wages in that occupation by nearly 0.5%
It may seems small but those numbers are variables and for people on the lowest rung of the ladder, every percent counts.
The whole thing with ICE separating children from families, targeting folks with minor past misdemeanors.... it's all so strangely overtly immoral and unnecessary. I could see taking a stand there.
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Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.
What if they are taking your job. They are of course taking away someone's job.
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Laws can be unethical? Protesting Jim Crow laws was a good thing?
It’s unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? I’m all for legal immigration. I guess I just don’t understand all the support for illegal immigration. Edit: based on the downvotes, there must be some kind of benefit to the US arising from illegal immigration that I’m missing. Could one of you that downvoted this p…
I don't base my political beliefs on what is good for the U.S. alone. There are plenty of things that are good for the U.S. but negative for other people.
As an example, think of Western expansion in the early 1800's and policies directed towards Native Americans and how certain practices were "good" for the US but bad for other people.
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tldr: I'll be in favor of cracking down on illegal immigrants when people stop hiring them for fear of getting in trouble. This is a naive reading of the politics. Very few people are actively in favor of illegal immigration. Many people believe the cures (that is, the ones that politicians push for) are worse than the disease. My personal view is that if we really wanted to solve the problem, we would do it on the e…
What would the process look like for authenticating individuals that wish to work for your company? Or maybe more precisely, what would meet the burden of proof for any reasonable regulation around such a thing? This would just drive up the value of stolen identities and make illegal immigrants even more indentured to organized criminals that supply them with such.
For example, one of your workers disappears and you discover that they walked off with $millions worth of your stuff. You report this grand theft, giving the police the supposed identity. The police later tell you that this person died 3 years before you hired him.
For example, you hire somebody who uses a stolen identity to pass your background check. They just got out of prison for beating their previous boss to death.
For example, you hire a supposed professional with some sort of certification. They might claim to be a doctor, a Professional Engineer, a lawyer, or a Certified Public Accountant. By identity theft, they convince you that your business can depend on them to meet legal requirements and do competent work.
Correct identity is rather important.
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What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?
People apparently don't know this but being undocumented is not a criminal offense in that it's not even a misdemenor, it is a civil offense, like getting a speeding ticket. We do not separate speeding people from their children. It is a criminal offense to illegally cross the border, a misdemeanor, but undocumented => illegally crossed is not always true or obvious. For example, one could overstay their visa.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
"... Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. ..."
I would also suspect, that knowingly demanding/putting ones children into position to protect parent's illegal activities, should be illegal. Although, admittedly, I do no know by which statue.
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Asylum is not entering the country illegally, it has a legal process. It is not a non-sequitur, it is the topic under discussion.
And asylum is done at a port of entry, not sneaking through the desert.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrant-seeking-asylum-say...
I worked for companies who worked with intelligence services and military. I had no major issues. Concerns maybe but it's hard to know the details and bad things happen in war no matter what... so I didn't really think much of it. The whole thing with ICE separating children from families, targeting folks with minor past misdemeanors.... it's all so strangely overtly immoral and unnecessary. I could see taking a stan…
It's my understanding that they apply this horrible policy to any asylum seeking family - no misdemeanors required.