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Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ceejayoz »

IanDrake wrote: post #106
cycrutchfield wrote: post #60

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It’s illegal to apply for asylum?

It’s not, but sneaking into a country is different than walking into a border checkpoint or embassy to request asylum.

Not where the US Code is concerned.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

> Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section...

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Post by evanlivingston »

ginger123 wrote: post #96
popularrecluse wrote: post #61

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I've done everything from washing dishes, waiting tables, managing 2 coffee shops, landscape work, data entry, to my current work as a mobile developer. And I know where you're going with this, and no I've never had trouble finding work when I needed it.

What if I told you the presence of undocumented immigrants might have depressed your earnings as a dishwasher. No hard feelings still? PS. I know, I am assigning a stereotypical job to an undocumented immigrant.

That wouldn't cause me hard feelings, as a person who has worked both as a laborer and in the service industry.

If the level of my income is a function of how many other people are denied the ability to do the same job then I've got bigger concerns than my income level.

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Post by kozikow »

sigmar wrote: post #112
kozikow wrote: post #100

I don't understand the issue fully, so I would love if someone would prove me wrong. You commit a crime. Your child commits a crime. You go to prison. Your child goes to a youth detention center. OMG FACISM !! Meanwhile, my Chinese and Indian friends wait patiently 20 years for a green card and no one bats an eye. Edit: Look at top 4 downvoted comments, 4 top upvoted comments. Great way to promote thoughtful discussi…

>I don't understand the issue fully If you don't understand something maybe it is better to go read, rather than post. For one thing, going to a point-of-entry and requesting asylum is not a crime.

You may think it's terribly wrong, but that's how at least half of America thinks about the issue. So far, you only provided (soft) ad hominem attack. Attempting to break a law is not much worse than actually breaking a law.

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Post by chris_wot »

wildmusings wrote: post #56
jsemrau wrote: post #31

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>Good on these folks for stepping up. I am not American, but this is the point in time where you take a stand. Where America needs to fight for it's democracy. This is not the time to be complacent.

Defending our democracy? How about the majorities that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced? What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission? Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what liv…

It's got nothing to do with that. Seperating toddlers and very young children from their families is absolutely inhumane.

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Post by anigbrowl »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #34
_bohm wrote: post #28

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Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want this country to be a place where from all over can come to thrive if they are so motivated. The quote engraved on the Statue of Liberty comes to mind... “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teem…

Which A) is not what the Statue of Liberty is about, it's about Liberty B) was added well after the statue's construction and C) is a poem, not a law of the USA. If you really knew what Emma Lazarus's (EDIT: wrong last name used at first) views were, it might give you pause... (hint: she hated Ashkenazi Jews and saw them as low-class)

Although you've corrected it since, I heartily encourage HN readers to immerse themselves in the views of Emma Goldman.

As for your hinting, it's BS. Emma Lazarus was Jewish herself, get involved in activism when Jews were suffering pogroms in Russia and many of them began to emigrate to New York, helped found a school for Jewish refugees and wrote numerous advocacy articles on behalf of said refugees. I'm sure you can find an example of something she said that seems cringeworthy 130 years later.

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Post by evanlivingston »

downandout wrote: post #118
modzu wrote: post #23

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+1. and its a great idea to do as an open letter. let's hope it spreads

How is it a "great idea" to protest enforcement of our own laws?

Laws can be unethical? Protesting Jim Crow laws was a good thing?

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Post by swyx »

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #104

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

honest question from a non american - how exactly does ICE protect you and yours every day? from my casual understanding they exclusively focus on illegal immigrants. is this mistaken?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

ihsw2 wrote: post #121
elicash wrote: post #92

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We're mostly talking about misdemeanors here. No, in most cases of misdemeanors we don't throw children in cages and take them away from their moms and dads.

We do now. Separating children from the adults they are accompanied by is a long-standing practice to prevent human trafficking and there are valid reasons for it that both sides of the aisle support, the difference is that ICE is now treating it as a criminal act requiring the aforementioned remanding into state custody while the details are sorted out. If there is an increase of "asylum seekers" then the time to pr…

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by izendejas »

RickJWagner wrote: post #123

There's a finite amount of money available for social programs. It's a zero sum game. The more new immigrants that require resources, the less available for other underprivileged folks. Be careful how you acquire your social 'feel good' points. It might be hurting someone.

Let's start with the allocation problem before we get into the scarcity issue.

We're perfectly ok spending millions to pay for bombs. And we were perfectly okay with funding dictators in Central America, for example, all of which led to crises in those countries which led to mass migration. And now here we are.

And btw, Nicaragua -- the same country where contras where illegally funded by the Reagan administration to combat the socialists there -- is now again close to civil war. Their socialist leader (Ortega) gets to use the US as a scapegoat (much like Chavez in Venezuela) and his loyal followers buy that stuff. Frankly, many people still remember what the US did in those countries, so I don't entirely blame them.

So now tell me why you're worried about social programs when our military takes the pie in spending and that clearly hasn't been put to good use?

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