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Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by drb91 »

fareesh wrote: post #183
dashundchen wrote: post #115

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There are asylum seekers, including those applying at ports of entry, being separated from their children. These children are being ripped from their parents and kept in literal cages in warehouses. https://twitter.com/DemWrite/status/1008939085384126464 I don't think that is happening in your scenario.

The asylum backlog is 600,000 cases. They are not aslyum seekers, they are trying to take advantage of the backlog since under the earlier process they could just wait for their court date and disappear into the country before that. Asylum requests have gone up over 1000% because this exploit has been figured out and it is now the default method of gaining entry. 83% of the kids aren't even with their parents, they a…

What’s the worst that can happen if we let them in? Our economy improves and our crime rate drops?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Covzire wrote: post #65
threeseed wrote: post #32

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It was never an enforced policy to seperate children from the parents.

Then why was the photo that sparked the latest outrage reported as being recent, when it was taken during the previous administration? And what do you do with children at the border when they're not accompanied by a parent or even a relative, such as child traffickers?

> Then why was the photo that sparked the latest outrage reported as being recent, when it was taken during the previous administration?

There was no one photo that sparked the recent outrage. I don't even know what photo you are referring to.

> And what do you do with children at the border when they're not accompanied by a parent or even a relative, such as child traffickers?

Those children aren't with their parents to start with, so a change in policy on separating children from their parents does not affect them.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by noobermin »

koolba wrote: post #93
i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

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I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?

People apparently don't know this but being undocumented is not a criminal offense in that it's not even a misdemenor, it is a civil offense, like getting a speeding ticket. We do not separate speeding people from their children.

It is a criminal offense to illegally cross the border, a misdemeanor, but undocumented => illegally crossed is not always true or obvious. For example, one could overstay their visa.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by noobermin »

ihsw2 wrote: post #121
elicash wrote: post #92

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We're mostly talking about misdemeanors here. No, in most cases of misdemeanors we don't throw children in cages and take them away from their moms and dads.

We do now. Separating children from the adults they are accompanied by is a long-standing practice to prevent human trafficking and there are valid reasons for it that both sides of the aisle support, the difference is that ICE is now treating it as a criminal act requiring the aforementioned remanding into state custody while the details are sorted out. If there is an increase of "asylum seekers" then the time to pr…

There is actually no real evidence about this child trafficking idea. As far as I can tell, it's been merely floated by the right wing as a possibility.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

ceejayoz wrote: post #131
IanDrake wrote: post #106

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It’s not, but sneaking into a country is different than walking into a border checkpoint or embassy to request asylum.

Not where the US Code is concerned. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158 > Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States ( whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in…

Thanks for the link, however the sub-sections are very important because subsection (a) and (e) are exactly what the Attorney General are arguing on top of if I understand correctly.

In this case the Atty General could claim that it is in the public interest to take in every unaccompanied alien child (defined as such by law [1]) - however that means that every child would basically go to the foster system while their parents were deported. Perhaps that is what is happening, I'm not sure.

In either case, the unaccompanied child and the adult in this case have different processes that the DOJ and in the case of children Health and Human Services, have guidelines to follow.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/6/279#g

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by drb91 »

ginger123 wrote: post #96
popularrecluse wrote: post #61

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I've done everything from washing dishes, waiting tables, managing 2 coffee shops, landscape work, data entry, to my current work as a mobile developer. And I know where you're going with this, and no I've never had trouble finding work when I needed it.

What if I told you the presence of undocumented immigrants might have depressed your earnings as a dishwasher. No hard feelings still? PS. I know, I am assigning a stereotypical job to an undocumented immigrant.

A rising tide lifts all.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by refurb »

elicash wrote: post #92
wildmusings wrote: post #45

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This is such a distortion of what’s happening. Crossing into the US illegally is a crime. We are now arresting and charging people who commit it. We do not send innocent children to prison, so the only option is separation. If you commit any other crime and are arrested, you will be “separated” from your child, because your child does not belong in prison. Why do you expect this to be any different?

We're mostly talking about misdemeanors here. No, in most cases of misdemeanors we don't throw children in cages and take them away from their moms and dads.

No we’re not. They are being charged with a felony in this case.

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Post by noobermin »

koolba wrote: post #188
fzeroracer wrote: post #182

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What makes this special versus literally every other case in America? For example, there are people that have gotten away with driving drunk and killing people. Does that mean we've effectively legalized drunk driving? What kind of twisted logic is it that if we don't prosecute every single illegal immigrant to the absolute full extent that it results in open borders? Why should people seeking asylum be treated worse…

The crime isn’t seeking asylum. It’s entering the country illegally. The asylum part is irrelevant for anything beyond creating a sob story for marketing politically divisive messaging.

Asylum is not entering the country illegally, it has a legal process. It is not a non-sequitur, it is the topic under discussion.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by noobermin »

refurb wrote: post #207
elicash wrote: post #92

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We're mostly talking about misdemeanors here. No, in most cases of misdemeanors we don't throw children in cages and take them away from their moms and dads.

No we’re not. They are being charged with a felony in this case.

But that's actually not true...it isn't a felony to illegally enter the country the first time. It is a misdemeanor.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by cozzyd »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #18
kojon99 wrote: post #14

I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

It's baffling to me as well. For some reason lots of Americans also don't support ID requirements for voting either. I'm from Brazil and even here we require ID for voters. I really just don't get it.

Many people in the US have no official ID because there is no standard national ID. Instead, it's common to use things like driver's licenses (which not everyone has... since not everyone drives) or passports (which not everyone has... since you only need it to leave the country).
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