Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by Wrongthink » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:12 AM UTC

The media is really pushing this child parent separation thing hard. This is nothing new. You commit a crime, you get separated from your child when you're arrested. Every crime is this way citizen or not, the child does not go to jail with the parent.

But that is not what they want. They want the parent to be freed under the guise of the child's rights. There is no sugar coating it, this is a desparate attempt to curb immigration enforcement because the far left is desparate to grow their voting base. They have to import voters from the third world because their agenda is becoming so extreme they are alienating their own native voters.

Really sad that politics is being peddled on this website, thinly veiled behind vaguely tech-related discussion. If I want my leftwing political propaganda I'll read reddit thank you very much.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by backpack31337 » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:12 AM UTC

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #117

backpack31337 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are mad because immigration laws are being enforced at a time when the president has an "R" next to his/her name.

How is it OK to imprison children? At the current scale?

That's a hyperbolic misrepresentation of the issue and you know it.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by patrickg_zill » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:13 AM UTC

sg47 wrote: post #111

patrickg_zill wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is crazy! For ~40 years now, people have consistently wanted restrictions on illegals coming into the country. We have had essentially, tyrannical lawlessness at the Federal level in the refusal to seriously enforce immigration laws.

People have also wanted gun control to prevent horrible deaths of school children.

I don't have the knowledge to know what has happened during the past 40 years of gun laws.

My impression is that gun laws have tightened, at least in the area of schools (banned on school grounds), but I can't say for sure.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by IanDrake » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:13 AM UTC

sanderjd wrote: post #75

IanDrake wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to defend democracy by overthrowing our democratically elected government and ignoring our Constitution. What part of that is confusing?

In what way are the actions of these employees at a private company akin to overthrowing the government or ignoring the Constitution?

I didn’t say these employees said that. This is a threaded discussion. Please read the thread.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by TheCoelacanth » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:15 AM UTC

kojon99 wrote: post #14

I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

There is nothing crazy about saying that people who show up at a port of entry and ask for asylum should not have their children kidnapped and put in concentration camps.

Asking that immigrants be treated humanely is not the equivalent of asking for no restrictions on immigration at all.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by dang » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:15 AM UTC

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #145

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahaha. Just hahaha. Never knew imprisoning children required a lot of bravery.

So you'd rather see the children imprisoned with adults then? Even when we don't know 100% they are their parents or not? That's just sick. Utterly repulsive.

That's an egregious violation of the site rules, and you broke several others of them upthread. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't do it again.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by jimejim » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:16 AM UTC

dionian wrote: post #3

Doesnt ICE answer to the President and the laws written by Congress? Is hurting ICE meant to influence the decision making of the Trump admin, and if so, how effective might this move ultimately be?

ICE really shouldn't exist in the first place. It's an unnecessary organization that is already proving it's dangerous, unorganized, and too powerful.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by dang » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:17 AM UTC

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #110

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #104

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

Hahaha. Just hahaha. Never knew imprisoning children required a lot of bravery.

This breaks the site guidelines. Please don't do that, regardless of how right (or wrong) you (or they) are (or feel).

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:18 AM UTC

dashundchen wrote: post #153

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #104

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

So can we arrest the ICE agents yet? They are breaking the law. https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylu... https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=bcb78306f832a025ab...

Of course! If an ICE agent breaks the law, they are as guilty as any other US citizen breaking a law. That very notion is emphasized by the fact that our government is setup such that it's a system of checks and balances.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by 75dvtwin » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:18 AM UTC

i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

kojon99 wrote: post #14

I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

@i_dont_know, I think you are getting it very wrong.

A humane thing to do, is for the parents that are committing the crime of illegal entry, and being deported -- to take their children with them.

But instead, they are dropping their kids off here, knowing that US cannot deport them, together with their parents.

And then they are crying-wolf, together with a few intellectually-dishonest politicians, that US immigration law, when enforced, is not humane.

An inhumane thing to do, is to you use your own children as a shield, to avoid being punished for the crimes you are committing.