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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by elsjaako »

Skunkleton wrote: post #27
lainga wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they picked the wrong org to gamble on strongarming in the case of Blender. Instead of getting them to monetize they've just compelled Blender to move platforms.

Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

The blender foundation is more likely than other groups to make something different work. Once something else works, it can start to get traction.

This is unlike other content creators, who migh not have the technical skills to try a new platform, or might rely on youtube to get views.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

One of the huge problems with YouTube etc is the centralised nature means normal methods of telling good from bad are limited.

Recently the Peppa Pig shock videos thread started up again. As a parent it does worry me - but if we had to visit "grot-peppa-porn-1234.com" before viewing the video instead of choosing "bbc.com" I think managing the problem would be easier.

So, peertube is nice. Perhaps it's not the right solution still?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by notatoad »

Skunkleton wrote: post #27
lainga wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they picked the wrong org to gamble on strongarming in the case of Blender. Instead of getting them to monetize they've just compelled Blender to move platforms.

Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

YouTube has little to no competition right now. By kicking blender out, they're forcing blender to promote an alternative to YouTube.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by lucb1e »

Applejinx wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

You made a video about YouTube criticism and host it on YouTube? Either that's being optimistic about them, or the dominance is so large that it outweighs everything else...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ajross »

ng12 wrote: post #122
ajross wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for you . And me. And any person or organization that wants to put up a video for the public to see. But it's not for people and organizations who are being funded to put up those videos . If you are deriving revenue from that video stream, whether or not it's a "profit" legally, then it's not unreasonable for you to be expected to pay for it. Advertising with shared revenue is the standard mechanism for paying…

> If you are deriving revenue from that video stream By opting out of ads you're also opting out of your share of the revenue so by definition you're avoiding a potential profit stream. I think you'd have a fair point if it was a publicly-listed company complaining about ads hosted for free on YouTube but come on -- these are free, educational videos hosted for the explicit purpose of democratizing knowledge. Again,…

> hosted for the explicit purpose of democratizing knowledge.

That's outrageously spun. They're Blender evangelism. Having those videos out there helps Blender get users and visibility and (here's the important part) donations, that they can then use to make Blender better by paying for stuff that Blender needs to get better.

Except for video hosting. You think they shouldn't be required to pay for video hosting the same way they are for member reimbursements. Because... I dunno, Google is evil or something.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by teilo »

soulkito wrote: post #107
teilo wrote: post #74

Great. Just when my daughter has installed Blender to learn 3D modelling.

As someone who recently started learning Blender I recommend the YouTube channel Blender Guru. They guy makes great tutorials for both beginners and more advanced users.

Thanks!

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by michaelt »

magicalist wrote: post #89
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

> So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. But that doesn't seem to make sense. There are lots of popular channels that don't have advertising and Blender's videos are popular but not that popular. Their blogpost about it is here: https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende... I haven't looked at the contract they posted, but…

It seems bizarre, but there is a quote from Google's support literally saying:

  I’ve received an update from our experts stating that you
  need to enable ads for your video. Once you enable, your
  video will be available in the USA.
It's a pretty big change in policy, and a poorly announced one, but...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ng12 »

ajross wrote: post #145
ng12 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are deriving revenue from that video stream By opting out of ads you're also opting out of your share of the revenue so by definition you're avoiding a potential profit stream. I think you'd have a fair point if it was a publicly-listed company complaining about ads hosted for free on YouTube but come on -- these are free, educational videos hosted for the explicit purpose of democratizing knowledge. Again,…

> hosted for the explicit purpose of democratizing knowledge. That's outrageously spun. They're Blender evangelism. Having those videos out there helps Blender get users and visibility and (here's the important part) donations , that they can then use to make Blender better by paying for stuff that Blender needs to get better. Except for video hosting. You think they shouldn't be required to pay for video hosting the…

> That's outrageously spun

No more outrageous than you trying to spin Blender as some corporate behemoth looking for a free pass.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by reitanqild »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #115
ealhad wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great news for PeerTube! Since Blender as an established community, I hope PeerTube will gain traction from it.

In at least a small way, it already has. I'd not heard of PeerTube prior to reading this submission, and now I'm interested.

For what it's worth peertube is running a crowdfunding campaign now if anyone is interested:

https://www.kisskissbankbank.com/en/projects/peertube-a-free...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by scottmcdot »

Correct me if I am wrong, but if content creators take their content off YouTube and use PeerTube, does this mean that there will be separate instances of PeerTube (e.g., video.blender.org) for each channel/creator? Another example could be if ol' Pewds decided to also do this - would his content be hosted on something like video.pewdiepie.org?
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