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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by southerndrift »

djsumdog wrote: post #10

I'm curious what YouTube's real numbers are for YouTube profitability. Are these channels at such high subscriber rates that they're cutting into YouTube's ability to sustain themselves? They recently demonetized all of the Salad Fingers videos, causing David Firth to remove all those videos from YouTube and only allowing them to Patreon subscribers via Vimeo. I hope this pushes towards more independent, distributed…

I am curious, too.

The blog post mentions 1M views [1]. At €1 per TB [2], and assuming a video of 100Mb which are roughly 1GB, you end up with 1000TB a €1000.

Even if Google just pays a fraction like $0.1 per TB, they still have to earn $100 somewhere else to break even.

[1]: https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende...

[2]: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JackCh »

gooseus wrote: post #14
abnry wrote: post #3

I can't believe this has been going on for three days. YouTube seems like it is actively sabotaging its independent content creator's channels. But in this case it's not just some random kid living with their parent's. MIT and Blender are both respectable orgs.

I'm pretty annoyed, I was planning on using a bunch of MITOCW video series to level up some on some computer science and information theory this summer and I hadn't even gotten through the first lecture of the first series on my list (6.001 with Sussman from 1986, classic and awesome) when this stopped me in my tracks. I've been waiting patiently hoping it comes back, but at this point I feel like I'm going to have t…

The 1986 6.001 videos are available here: https://archive.org/details/MIT_Structure_of_Computer_Progra...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JackCh »

optimuspaul wrote: post #114
vorpalhex wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to…

It's a bit of a stretch to call it a contract I think. Terms of service may in fact be a contact, but IANAL, but calling it a contract might imply that there are things to be gained on both sides. If a contract is no longer providing value for one of the contractees then it is fair, and should be provisions for such, to renegotiate or terminate the contract. I do agree that they are abusing their position, but I don'…

> "Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that."

What a ridiculous statement. It's everybody's right and place to decide for themselves whether or not they think youtube is being reasonable.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by squarefoot »

Excellent performance on all videos but one (Elephants Dream). That video hangs forever strangely reporting a total length of 10:50:04 in the lower left corner, that is, over 10 hours which is of course incorrect. Maybe a problem during upload? All other videos start immediately even in full HD; so far I've watched a couple in their entirety with no glitches at all.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by JackCh »

gmueckl wrote: post #60
lainga wrote: post #4

4 days now (since the 15th at least) and nothing out of YT. I realize that the portion of their viewers interested in MIT OCW or Blender is small, compared to the portion interested in FNAF and dental surgery on characters from Frozen... but it's also probably the portion they want to piss off least as an internet company. ed: see below comment from OscarCunningham

This will barely register as a blip for YouTube. They'll survive and be more profitable afterwards.

The hope for many, perhaps a vain one, is that negatively impacting technical organizations (open source projects or MIT's ability to host computer science course videos) will have a disproportionate effect on the developers of youtube who on average might care about about these sort of organizations more than others. It could hurt youtube developer morale and/or their ability to recruit.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by pitaj »

vorpalhex wrote: post #34

So YouTube created an effective monopoly through social networking, and now is abusing that position. Not surprising but disappointing. Hopefully people leave YouTube in droves and remind them that their position is not static. First time hearing of PeerTube, but looks good so far.

YouTube has a monopoly partially because social networking aspects like search, recommended, etc.

However, another reason competitors haven't cropped up is because copyright law in the US and elsewhere highly favors publishers over hosters or creators. Publishers will sue the crap out of you the moment you get big enough to make a difference. If Google hadn't dumped money into YouTube, they'd probably have gone under years ago when Viacom and others sued them for copyright infringement.

We need copyright reform.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ealhad »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #115
ealhad wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great news for PeerTube! Since Blender as an established community, I hope PeerTube will gain traction from it.

In at least a small way, it already has. I'd not heard of PeerTube prior to reading this submission, and now I'm interested.

And that's already great!

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by vorpalhex »

ucaetano wrote: post #130
vorpalhex wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to…

> No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Of course you can, as long as that is specified in the contract. > These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS. And that is allowed per the contract.

A contract in the US can't override tort law. Material change without consideration is de facto no go.

This is pretty standard torts 101. You can say whatever you want in a contract but that doesn't mean the clause is valid. Furthermore ToS fall under sticker contracts which have a different level of scrutiny especially in regards to material changes post facto.

YouTube knows this. This is why they are trying to get Blender to sign a new contract. If your claim above was correct, YouTube would of simply already monetized the channel and unblocked the videos.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by stcredzero »

vkou wrote: post #124
stcredzero wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, destructive) surveillance-capitalism-ad-tech economy goes away… Because the corporate culture of Google/YouTube has changed into one of authoritarian adherence. This is the natural result.

> Because the corporate culture of Google/YouTube has changed into one of authoritarian adherence. This is the natural result. Really? Is that what you've taken away from the Maven debate? There's a couple simpler, far more plausible explanations.

Really? Is that what you've taken away from the Maven debate?

It's a number of observations. It's only natural that a company like YouTube would seek to monetize and shift towards the mainstream. It's what they are doing with the long tail and the creative margins which is suspect.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by rubatuga »

ntoeu98nt34 wrote: post #20
pleasecalllater wrote: post #16

And the next thing would be... let's think... block all gmail accounts for people who use adblock?

Actually, that's an interesting thought. I have a Gmail account I don't use much, but I almost never access it from the web. I only use it with a mail client. I never see any of the ads they would show if I accessed it through the web. I do wonder now if they'll cut it off. I've been trying to move away from using them at all anyway, so no loss if they do, but certainly an interesting idea.

Your emails are too valuable for them already...
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