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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by vorpalhex »

ucaetano wrote: post #72
vorpalhex wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.

Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?

No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration.

Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms.

These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by stcredzero »

ucaetano wrote: post #72
vorpalhex wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.

Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?

I would say that if you want to run a platform for communication and expression, you shouldn't run rampant across it like a bully. There's a limit to what any company should be able to get away with in their terms of service. Push far enough, and the customers will leave with a bad taste in their mouth.

You can start running a platform for free expression, then start bullying people into adherence to a monetization policy. You're within your rights. However, that's a stupid level of bait and switch, like billing yourself as a vegan restaurant, but telling everyone they can only eat burgers.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by chris_wot »

Skunkleton wrote: post #27
lainga wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they picked the wrong org to gamble on strongarming in the case of Blender. Instead of getting them to monetize they've just compelled Blender to move platforms.

Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

They lose high quality content and have indirectly caused the promotion of a competitor. Also exposes their inability to answer basic questions, giving rise to questions from creators about their value and longevity on the Youtube platform.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by stcredzero »

Analemma_ wrote: post #25

Wait, am I reading this right? If you're a particularly popular channel, you're required to monetize and YT will block you if you don't? That's ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot. The vast majority of creators with many views do want to monetize, YouTube is losing almost nothing by allowing people not to if they choose. They must be really be desparate for revenue over there.

Wait, am I reading this right? If you're a particularly popular channel, you're required to monetize and YT will block you if you don't?

That's ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot.

People using power over the private YouTube platform to push political agendas through censorship crossed the "ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot" threshold awhile back. It's just that it's leaking into the monetization realm.

This is what happens when you let authoritarian mindsets take over your company's culture. You wind up with a company that can't keep its hands off the ecosystem it's supposedly fostering.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by saintPirelli »

chris_wot wrote: post #90
beiller wrote: post #78

Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blend…

It would be rather ironic if Blender was able to remove Youtube's dominance :-)

I really hope we will be looking back at this moment in 3 years or whatever as the beginning of something big. We are long overdue to "myspacifiy" some of the current regents of the web.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by larkeith »

Applejinx wrote: post #62
Skunkleton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

Nothing. They gain by use of a chilling effect: most of the seemingly negative actions and expectations they're known for, tend to rebound in favor of their core business. It's all meant to be Logan and Jake Paul and PewDiePie and whatever will drive low-quality mass views so long as the viewer quality isn't so low that they're losing advertisers. At a scale like this, it's just pure statistics. This is not damage. T…

While there are certainly benefits, I can't agree that YouTube loses nothing here. PeerTube is a potential competitor in an ecosystem that's currently functionally monopolistic, and even in a vacuum, having a nontrivial community move to that platform will immediately increase awareness and provide legitimacy.

Perhaps more importantly, the FOSS and tech communities are not a vacuum. Google and YouTube in particular have been getting increasing amounts of negative press recently, and this strongarming of Blender further drives home how far they have gone from the era of "Don't be evil." Additionally, the precedent of changing platforms rather than giving in to Google's pressure has now been set; While there will be no mass exodus, it is easier for entities to follow in Blender's footsteps than it would have been to set the lead, and we may hope that this move turns out well in order to further encourage others with similar inclinations.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by stcredzero »

quadrangle wrote: post #35
Analemma_ wrote: post #25

Wait, am I reading this right? If you're a particularly popular channel, you're required to monetize and YT will block you if you don't? That's ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot. The vast majority of creators with many views do want to monetize, YouTube is losing almost nothing by allowing people not to if they choose. They must be really be desparate for revenue over there.

If I skipped Hanlon's Razor and jumped to assuming your speculations are right, then I'd say Google wants to head off a future where people specifically donate to those who aren't doing ad-monetizing (i.e. the only ones who actually deserve donations!!) Google wants creators funded, but they want the system to push their ad-focused approach. The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, dest…

> The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, destructive) surveillance-capitalism-ad-tech economy goes away…

Because the corporate culture of Google/YouTube has changed into one of authoritarian adherence. This is the natural result.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ng12 »

saint_fiasco wrote: post #76
ng12 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point. Why offer the option to opt out of ads at all other than to bait-and-switch?

Same reason a coffee shop might offer to let you charge your phone/laptop batteries for free and then take that away when they see you are running an extension cord to your office.

So in this analogy opting out of ads is for who, exactly? Videos nobody watches anyways?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by larkeith »

gnopgnip wrote: post #80
Applejinx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

Would Blender make money from Youtube Red subscribers if they did not have monetized videos? How does this affect the profitability of Youtube?

YouTube takes a cut of advertising profits, but gets no direct revenue from ad-free videos, I believe.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by UncleEntity »

falcolas wrote: post #38
Analemma_ wrote: post #25

Wait, am I reading this right? If you're a particularly popular channel, you're required to monetize and YT will block you if you don't? That's ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot. The vast majority of creators with many views do want to monetize, YouTube is losing almost nothing by allowing people not to if they choose. They must be really be desparate for revenue over there.

If its not monetized, then YouTube has no way to make money off the views; no way to recoup the costs associated with hosting those videos. History, morality, and good will aside, its in their financial best interest to not allow videos which are not monetized.

Other than using them as loss-leaders, people watch a blender foundation video then deep dive into the multitude of monetized tutorials on the YouTubes.

I'd venture to say most people learning blender will spend a significant time on YouTube, blender isn't the easiest thing to learn by a long shot.

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