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Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

phicoh wrote: post #18
iforgotpassword wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad everyone thinks they are the true free world and everyone else got it wrong.

With end-to-end encryption it is easy to tell: the free world is where end-to-end encryption is unrestricted.

Actually the free world is all non-Communist countries. It's a propaganda term invented by the west (literally they were interchangeable, "free world" and "western world"). You can still see this influence as the use of the phrase "the leader of the free world" is exclusively held for the President of the United States.

The "free world" as a broader idea is still kind of useless in the modern world. Your government may not have made end-to-end encryption illegal (yet) but as private corporations actually run everything that people use, they get to impose their own will and determine your practical "freedom". There's no law preventing Apple from changing its encryption technology.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by cityhomesteader »

Europe has been rewriting the rules of the internet for a while. It's amazing how europe/EU is getting a pass when it comes to censorship. Not to mention what our corporations and our media have been doing.

The problems with the internet isn't china. It's our media and our government but for some odd reason, all I hear is "china/beijing".

Is beijing the reason why there is so much censorship? Is beijing the reason why google search is so terrible? Is it beijing why there is so much censorship of the social media and the rest of the internet in the west? Of course not. The real reason is News Corp, NYTimes, WashingtonPost, The Atlantic along with corporate america and their stooges in the government.

Try googling anything. Half of the frontpage is now links to nytimes, washingtonpost, cnn and rest of the media.

I remember googling for yanny vs laurel not too long ago. Do you know what the top result was? A nytimes article. It wasn't the original instagram post. It wasn't the reddit post that made it go viral. It was a nytimes post. And almost all the results on the first page of google were links to news companies. I've been using google search since the late 90s. It's pathetic what google search has become. Youtube is going down the same path.

I'd take the atlantic a bit more seriously if they did an article about themselves or the rest of the media in regards to the rewriting of the rules of the internet. The biggest supporters of censorship and destruction of the internet is the media in the west.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by dionian »

chrisco255 wrote: post #25
bayfullofrays wrote: post #22

This isn't totally bad. China has shown that it is possible to both offer an environment that fosters startups and online communities operating to their maximum creative potential while policing for things that incite hate, forms of bigotry, and ideas that create dangerous divisions. While China isn't perfect, I wouldn't mind if America was made less influential when it comes to the Internet.

Those dangerous free speechers and their divisive "ideas". If only everyone just went along with the official Communist party positions, the world would obviously be a much more peaceful and orderly place.

Hey, at least they are trying to suppress democracy more proactively now, so they don't have to mow down pro-democracy protesters with guns and run over them with takes and make corpse pancakes.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by workinthehead »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #19
billiam wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That this could be true makes me very sad.

Every time I take a step back and look at what the internet is today I am simply amazed. That we could for once agree world wide on running this huge thing together involving almost every country in existence. Leaving (recent) developments like carrier grade Nat aside, we have a system that enables me to address anybody anywhere on this planet directly and send them a data packet that arrives within milliseconds. I m…

I don't think it's accurate to consider the internet decentralized. Consider the entire domain name system is under ICANN control with a couple dozen root servers. Or the backbone which is almost entirely owned by Level3, Cogent, and a few other regional carriers.

Redundant is nice, but it's not decentralized.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by camgunz »

cityhomesteader wrote: post #32

Europe has been rewriting the rules of the internet for a while. It's amazing how europe/EU is getting a pass when it comes to censorship. Not to mention what our corporations and our media have been doing. The problems with the internet isn't china. It's our media and our government but for some odd reason, all I hear is "china/beijing". Is beijing the reason why there is so much censorship? Is beijing the reason wh…

This is whataboutism. Nothing the West does compares to China's firewall and blanket surveillance, even if we stipulate we live in a corporatocracy and include the private surveillance of Facebook, Google, et al (which would make for an unfair comparison). I'm no apologist for the West's behavior or any of the things you point out, but let's not try and minimize the human rights violations China's committing -- and actually proud of, for what it's worth.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by frozenport »

cityhomesteader wrote: post #32

Europe has been rewriting the rules of the internet for a while. It's amazing how europe/EU is getting a pass when it comes to censorship. Not to mention what our corporations and our media have been doing. The problems with the internet isn't china. It's our media and our government but for some odd reason, all I hear is "china/beijing". Is beijing the reason why there is so much censorship? Is beijing the reason wh…

I'd rather have an explanation than the original source video.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by swsieber »

vanadium wrote: post #4
swsieber wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Web workers can actually do that if you've visited the site once before, even if you can't connect now.

Service Workers, probably.

Doh, you are right. That's what I was thinking of.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by Mistletoe »

cityhomesteader wrote: post #32

Europe has been rewriting the rules of the internet for a while. It's amazing how europe/EU is getting a pass when it comes to censorship. Not to mention what our corporations and our media have been doing. The problems with the internet isn't china. It's our media and our government but for some odd reason, all I hear is "china/beijing". Is beijing the reason why there is so much censorship? Is beijing the reason wh…

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Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by pnathan »

throwaway37585 wrote: post #28
pnathan wrote: post #26

> This alternative would include technical standards requiring foreign companies to build versions of their products compliant with Chinese standards, and pressure to comply with government surveillance policies. It would require data to be stored on servers in-country and restrict transfer of data outside China without government permission. It would also permit government agencies and critical infrastructure system…

Markets are a prerequisite for liberal democracy.

> Markets are a prerequisite for liberal democracy.

That is an assertion, and my recollection of history suggests that is not the case. Would you mind backing that up?

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by comex »

cityhomesteader wrote: post #32

Europe has been rewriting the rules of the internet for a while. It's amazing how europe/EU is getting a pass when it comes to censorship. Not to mention what our corporations and our media have been doing. The problems with the internet isn't china. It's our media and our government but for some odd reason, all I hear is "china/beijing". Is beijing the reason why there is so much censorship? Is beijing the reason wh…

The NYTimes article on yanny/laurel [1] was quite good, though: it included a tool with a slider that applied a pitch shift and frequency gain to the sound clip in order to bias it towards either "yanny" or "laurel". This let people hear both words even if their brain could only hear one of the interpretations of the original clip, and it was interesting to experiment with how much shift was needed to make it cross over. (Personally, I beat them to it :) – when I first heard of the clip, I uploaded a quick YouTube video for some people that just pitch shifted the original up and down, which is enough to make the interpretation cross over. But the interactive slider is better.) There was also a spectrogram visualization. Besides that, the main article had a thorough explanation of the origins of the clip, quotes from several different researchers about how the illusion worked, and other bits of relevant context. All in all, I'd call it high-quality reporting, and I don't see any problem with it ranking high on Google.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/science/yanny-laurel.html

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