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Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by unethical_ban »

peterwwillis wrote: post #10

By requiring connections to be end-to-end encrypted (by pushing for HTTPS and other strong encryption methods), web architects have forced nations into an all-or-nothing position. They must completely control their slice of the internet, because otherwise they can't accomplish their goals. The future is fragmented, incompatible internets. If protocols and services were designed instead to allow a measure of control a…

Welcome the free world to play with our toys. It is all-or-nothing. You can't stop math.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by unethical_ban »

garmaine wrote: post #9
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #6

Western companies filter out “hate speech”. Chinese companies do the same. In China, the definition of “hate speech” also includes anything that is critical of the government or Xi Jinping.

My ISP doesn’t filter hate speach, and it’d better damn stay that way.

Companies, not ISPs. Facebook, Twitter, reddit, etc. do (claim to) censor the worst of it.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by jerf »

garmaine wrote: post #9
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #6

Western companies filter out “hate speech”. Chinese companies do the same. In China, the definition of “hate speech” also includes anything that is critical of the government or Xi Jinping.

My ISP doesn’t filter hate speach, and it’d better damn stay that way.

You ISP may not, but plenty of other filtering is going on on social media, YouTube, and all sorts of other sites. I say this without commentary on whether it's good or bad, but it is definitely happening.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by billiam »

sunstone wrote: post #7

This could be just the natural evolution of the internet. Early on the internet needed a global scope to reach a critical mass. These days a critical mass can be reached within a trading zone with not much (percentage wise) value added outside of that. Also because equipment continues to get cheaper the size of a viable critical mass is shrinking.

That this could be true makes me very sad.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by iforgotpassword »

unethical_ban wrote: post #11
peterwwillis wrote: post #10

By requiring connections to be end-to-end encrypted (by pushing for HTTPS and other strong encryption methods), web architects have forced nations into an all-or-nothing position. They must completely control their slice of the internet, because otherwise they can't accomplish their goals. The future is fragmented, incompatible internets. If protocols and services were designed instead to allow a measure of control a…

Welcome the free world to play with our toys. It is all-or-nothing. You can't stop math.

Too bad everyone thinks they are the true free world and everyone else got it wrong.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by tejtm »

jensv wrote: post #2

Kind of an odd error message. " Looks like you are offline You'll need to check back here once you have restored your connection. Thanks for your patience. " But you're clearly online if you can see the error message....

you are not accepting third party cookies/javascript so for their purposes you may as well not exist, a condition I have zero qualms complying with by leaving.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by redbeard0x0a »

superkuh wrote: post #5

So does Europe. Article 13 up for vote today and GDPR already passed. To quote the article, "Many of these elements serve a dual purpose: supporting domestic industry while further closing off the internet."

I think GDPR is mostly good, it is a lot of work, but so is protecting people's data. It is a law for individual's personal data. It is coming from the right place.

Article 13 is for copyright owners, not individuals. Large corporations benefit the most from this legislation.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by phicoh »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #15
unethical_ban wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome the free world to play with our toys. It is all-or-nothing. You can't stop math.

Too bad everyone thinks they are the true free world and everyone else got it wrong.

With end-to-end encryption it is easy to tell: the free world is where end-to-end encryption is unrestricted.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by iforgotpassword »

billiam wrote: post #14
sunstone wrote: post #7

This could be just the natural evolution of the internet. Early on the internet needed a global scope to reach a critical mass. These days a critical mass can be reached within a trading zone with not much (percentage wise) value added outside of that. Also because equipment continues to get cheaper the size of a viable critical mass is shrinking.

That this could be true makes me very sad.

Every time I take a step back and look at what the internet is today I am simply amazed. That we could for once agree world wide on running this huge thing together involving almost every country in existence. Leaving (recent) developments like carrier grade Nat aside, we have a system that enables me to address anybody anywhere on this planet directly and send them a data packet that arrives within milliseconds.

I mean we had the same with phones or mail before but its still different because the Internet is technically decentralized. Anyone could fuck around badly with BGP, but it's mostly OK. DNS is completely optional or you could roll your own, but everyone participates.

With phones, you just need to agree on the country codes and everything that happens after that is everyone's own business. Mail even more so, you drop it off somewhere at the destination country and then it will involve varying amounts of manual processing to further distribute it. It just feels different.

Re: Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet

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Post by phicoh »

sunstone wrote: post #7

This could be just the natural evolution of the internet. Early on the internet needed a global scope to reach a critical mass. These days a critical mass can be reached within a trading zone with not much (percentage wise) value added outside of that. Also because equipment continues to get cheaper the size of a viable critical mass is shrinking.

Trading zones are hugely interconnected. It is not as if trading zones are just isolated islands that produce everything and where people never leave the trading zone.

Just like any established economy benefits from free trade (though slightly regulated to avoid dumping, etc.), established cultures benefit from free exchange of information (again slightly regulated to weed out some really bad stuff)

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