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Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

mistermann wrote: post #47
KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So China is winning by giving out loans that will never be paid back?

Yes, because they take assets in lieu of payment. You don't get from 3rd world country to challenging the world super power in 20 years by being dumb. On a related tangent, if you don't mind - I'm trying to test my "tone detector" - it indicated sarcasm in your comment, as if the comment to which you were replying was not just wrong but dumb - how accurate was I?

On a related tangent, if you don't mind - I'm trying to test my "tone detector" - it indicated sarcasm in your comment, as if the comment to which you were replying was not just wrong but dumb - how accurate was I?

It's not the comment that's dumb, it's the strategy. The Soviet Union used to dump tons of money into client states, and all that Russia has to show for it now is a naval base in Syria. China has hundreds of millions of peasants who are living in abject poverty. Doesn't it have better uses for that money?

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by dagw »

ajiang wrote: post #12
rb808 wrote: post #4

Meanwhile ZTE goes bust if it can't buy American chips. I dont see any Chinese tech that is unique.

Do you mean Qualcomm chips and smartphone tech that practically every runs every smartphone in the world? I can see how that would impact ZTE's smartphone business... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm#History

Completely OT, but I just realized that Qualcomm the chip company and Qualcomm the email software company are one and the same. Don't know why I never made that connection before.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by coldtea »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #84
coldtea wrote: post #83

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> Bluntly, this is BS. A bit of the US economy, yes. Half? Not even close. I'm not talking directly -- like the arms industry and the oil industry and so on. I'm talking about the cascading effect that pumps up and propels the rest.

And I still say it's BS. Or, to be more charitable, excessive hyperbole.

Well, not if you live out in the rest of the world and have suffered the consequences for near a century...

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by dagw »

cobookman wrote: post #11
rb808 wrote: post #4

Meanwhile ZTE goes bust if it can't buy American chips. I dont see any Chinese tech that is unique.

ebikes, scooters, and hoverboards were all out of china.

Can't speak for "hoverboards", but ebikes and scooter where definitely not "out of China", sure they no doubt win in volume and price, but they where hardly trailblazing or innovative in the space.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by tomp »

berthe wrote: post #63
rarec wrote: post #30

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Probably a combination of all three. The US and China have the benefit of a comparatively gargantuan native population that all speak the same language and enjoy similar tasting kool-aid that you can immediately market to. A business in SF can reach people NYC, Florida, etc. Combine that with somewhat lax customer rights laws (however you may view it), and you have recipes for some explosive growth. I've also heard t…

> Probably a combination of all three. The US and China have the benefit of a comparatively gargantuan native population that all speak the same language As odd as it sounds, my understanding is that China's Han population doesn't all speak the same language, but they (for the most part) read/write the same language. They call the variations in spoken language "dialects," but many of them are mutually unintelligible.…

Still, the difference is size. In China, 20 million people speaking the same language is a city. In Europe, it's a country.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by mistermann »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #91
mistermann wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because they take assets in lieu of payment. You don't get from 3rd world country to challenging the world super power in 20 years by being dumb. On a related tangent, if you don't mind - I'm trying to test my "tone detector" - it indicated sarcasm in your comment, as if the comment to which you were replying was not just wrong but dumb - how accurate was I?

On a related tangent, if you don't mind - I'm trying to test my "tone detector" - it indicated sarcasm in your comment, as if the comment to which you were replying was not just wrong but dumb - how accurate was I? It's not the comment that's dumb, it's the strategy. The Soviet Union used to dump tons of money into client states, and all that Russia has to show for it now is a naval base in Syria. China has hundreds…

> It's not the comment that's dumb, it's the strategy.

Really? Based on what, the failure of the Soviet Union? If you were to look a little closer, you may discover the Chinese aren't executing an identical strategy. The world is extremely complex, using blunt comparisons like the above won't yield very accurate results. At the very least, you would probably benefit from having a more open mind.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by bmag147 »

mistermann wrote: post #85
KarlRutnick wrote: post #70

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It's kinda funny how Americans still thinks US is doing shit to help anyone else besides themselves and their business interests. China is now doing the same thing the west/ImF/world Bank have always done. But in the case of China they don't run around toppling government and the countries do get general infrastructure while the west usually just built the bare minimum to get the resources out. Yes its imperialism bu…

> It's kinda funny how Americans still thinks US is doing shit to help anyone else besides themselves and their business interests. It depends on what you mean by that statement I suppose. It sounds like you are of the opinion that literally every single foreign aid initiative the United States of America undertakes is, at it's core, entirely (not partially, as I would suspect the case to be, but entirely) for the pu…

https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins...

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by mistermann »

candiodari wrote: post #90
coldtea wrote: post #78

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> When the colonies, primarily the US, started doing better than the old European countries ... what happened? Nothing much. There were 2 world wars that finished the old European countries, and the US took over the warmongering world leader game, and the colonialism (as neo-colonialism this time). > And yes, immigrants in the US beat quite a few traditional industries at their own game, under rules set by people try…

What I mean is early US history. When the colonies' industries started growing and outperforming the home industries, the governments of Europe started systematically sabotaging the American (then not-quite-yet-American of course) businesses, eventually using the police and even army to use direct violence against them. Incumbents really don't react well to upstarts even just performing decently.

That's what's so interesting about modern times, both the leaders of incumbent countries as well as the citizens seem not only not worried about threats from rising countries, but in many cases determined to defend and assist them in their endeavor to dethrone the current incumbents.

I wonder if history has ever seen anything like this before, at least on such a widespread scale.

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by coldtea »

mistermann wrote: post #86
coldtea wrote: post #67

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My actually assessment of this dispute is even worse.

"Now they insist nobody currently lower than them should use the ladder." How might you know this though? No one has said anything out loud even remotely comparable to this, so how might have you formed this conclusion? What information source are you using? I'd be quite interested to hear your actual full assessment if you have the time.

>How might you know this though? No one has said anything out loud even remotely comparable to this, so how might have you formed this conclusion? What information source are you using?

Are you kidding me? The party line from western politicians, establishment media (NYT, Economist, and so on), and establishment (read "state sponsored") think tanks, are exactly that: "Do as we say, not as we did".

Re: China is winning the global tech race

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Post by mistermann »

coldtea wrote: post #99
mistermann wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now they insist nobody currently lower than them should use the ladder." How might you know this though? No one has said anything out loud even remotely comparable to this, so how might have you formed this conclusion? What information source are you using? I'd be quite interested to hear your actual full assessment if you have the time.

> How might you know this though? No one has said anything out loud even remotely comparable to this, so how might have you formed this conclusion? What information source are you using? Are you kidding me? The party line from western politicians, establishment media (NYT, Economist, and so on), and establishment (read "state sponsored") think tanks, are exactly that: "Do as we say, not as we did".

I have a feeling you're not aware of the human mind's capabilities as it relates to realtime classification, association, translation of sentences into far more detailed and colorful ideas.

Let's test this theory: post the most compelling actual evidence you have that backs up the claim:

"Now they insist nobody currently lower than them should use the ladder."

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