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Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Post by ubernostrum »

rorykoehler wrote: post #257
ubernostrum wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

Not to nitpick because you are spot on but I think you need to go back to at least the D'Arcy Concession to understand the modern Middle East.

You could really write a couple doctoral theses just doing a review of the stuff necessary to understand contemporary middle-eastern conflicts and politics. I tried to pick a couple things as examples rather than write those theses :)

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Post by dotancohen »

mmjaa wrote: post #269
neotek wrote: post #201

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Don't be so disingenuous. Nobody is claiming the cars don't exist, the point is that Musk continuously makes insane, overreaching predictions that almost never come to pass, like the ludicrous "three months maybe, six months definitely" fully autonomous driving nonsense, or promises that Model 3 production will be on track for x units per month when the actual numbers are half that, and so on. This is so typical of a…

You seem too easily persuaded that Elon Musk is a con man. Have you taken into account the massive empire he has already built - if he were truly as nefarious as you seem to imply, its hardly likely that he would've been able to effectively build rockets that land themselves, cars that drive themselves, alternatives to the oil-addiction we're all suffering under, etc. I mean, put some balance in your argument: What h…

> I mean, put some balance in your argument: What has Musk done right, in your opinion? Anything at all?

The roads go without saying.

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Post by janimo »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #160
colechristensen wrote: post #145

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

Killing Hope and Overthrow are two books on the subject.

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Post by XorNot »

flyingswift wrote: post #198
acover wrote: post #96

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I know in Microsoft it would be relatively easy to push destructive code changes. It depends on the product though. I was able to connect to production machines. There was someone running torrents in the past.

From my experience on the O365 team, it would have been difficult to push code without approval because it would have voilated a number of the compliance requirements that area of the business has to meet. But yeah, I suppose there are other areas of the company that might have more relaxed requirements

This doesn't sound like a technical control though?

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Post by dotancohen »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #288
brightball wrote: post #118

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You did see him launch his car into space, right?

Yes, although it turns out their stream was using fake footage for one of the boosters

This is the closest that I've ever felt the need to call someone an idiot on the internet. Both boosters' feeds were fed from the same booster, i.e. we were seeing the same image twice. That is _not_ fake.

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Post by kbenson »

jcranmer wrote: post #94
nodesocket wrote: post #10

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I see a lot of resentment and "hate" on HN about Elon and quite honestly I don't understand where it is coming from. Where are the facts that Elon/Tesla is one gigantic fraud? Where is the scientific proof?

For me, personally, I strongly dislike the Hyperloop and Loop proposals. I can provide lots of details about why these systems suck as public transit options (and I've done so in the past several times), but there has tended to be an annoying cohort that rejects any and all criticism, no matter how reasoned it is. While I don't particularly pay attention to Tesla and Space X, I've noticed that there is similarly a ve…

> Undoubtedly, many people are liable to find the comparison too similar for comfort.

That seems a very strained comparison. Theranos lied about how their core technology worked. Tesla has already designed, manufactured and shipped multiple models of cars, and we're really discussing whether they can hit quarterly shipping goals, not whether they can delivery a specific product. This is just a matter of scale (and thus to some degree price), not a matter of whether their product is vaporware.

Autopilot is the closest to being somewhat related to the Theranos debacle, but it's not the most compelling portion of Tesla by far (as evidenced by how popular they were before it was released). That said, it also is actually released, and it's just a matter of how well it functions, not whether it functions. It's not like Tesla hired a bunch of people to remotely control cars as drones when autopilot is used and then represented that as some form of self-driving.

There are valid criticisms to be leveled at Tesla and Musk, but likening it to Theranos, whose CEO is now facing criminal charges, is not one of them (at least yet), so I hope there aren't too many people doing so.

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Post by ubernostrum »

zanedb wrote: post #299
ubernostrum wrote: post #242

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I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

> and hoo boy wait till you learn the truth about Belgium. Enlighten me.

Read a good article, or even Wikipedia, on Leopold II of Belgium, his "Congo Free State", and the aftermath.

Leopold's Congo was so horrifying that when he gave up personally ruling it and let it be turned into "just" an ordinary colony where the colonizing government and its companies worked hand-in-glove to ruthlessly exploit the place at the expense of the locals... that was actually better than it had been under Leopold's direct rule. Under personal rule by Leopold, estimates of the death toll in the Congo range at least into the millions and possibly over ten million.

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Post by beefield »

zanedb wrote: post #299
ubernostrum wrote: post #242

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I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

> and hoo boy wait till you learn the truth about Belgium. Enlighten me.

You asked. Do not blame me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free...

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Post by rtpg »

orand wrote: post #267
jshaqaw wrote: post #124

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Friend, I work in hedge funds. This isn’t Billions. Musk going over the deep end far more plausible than a hedge fund saboteur.

This _is_ billions. $10.7 billion. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/04/15/tesla-has...

it's a reference to a TV show called Billions, involving less-than-ethical hedge fund people doing quite illegal things

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Post by twblalock »

jccooper wrote: post #219
twblalock wrote: post #70

I have no problem believing that a disgruntled employee sabotaged part of the production line. But I do have a problem believing that all of the problems since the Model 3 started production were caused by sabotage. I also have no problem believing that the disgruntled employee simply wanted to take revenge by sabotaging his/her employer -- that's not uncommon, and it should not be difficult to prove if it really hap…

> But I do have a problem believing that all of the problems since the Model 3 started production were caused by sabotage. So, uh, where exactly is that said? In the email, or anywhere for that matter? On my monitor, the email doesn't claim any influence on Model 3 production problems, much less "all". > suggesting that other forces are involved "Investigation" and "be extremely vigilant" are a mite different from "s…

> You might want to consider talking about what is actually written.

You might want to consider that the author knows full well that the implication is what really matters, and that people who only think about the literal written words are missing the point.

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