Is it possible to make money by convincing everyone to short your company and then pushing the rug in under them by making earnings projections? Musk's recent announcements have been suspiciously suspicious.
Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee
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#62Short sellers lost over $1 billion dollars on one day a couple weeks ago. Money talking, bullshit walking.....
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/shorts-against-teslas-stock-...
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that anyone cares or asked what I think but I wouldn't be surprised if Elon ends up surpassing Crazie Eddie Antar [0] as far as fraud goes. (I have no idea whether he is a fraud. He just strikes me as likely a fraud.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eddie
I see a lot of resentment and "hate" on HN about Elon and quite honestly I don't understand where it is coming from. Where are the facts that Elon/Tesla is one gigantic fraud? Where is the scientific proof?
>I don't understand where it is coming from
~$10B in shorts...
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#64I love Elon, and he has been seeming a little more random lately. Shortsellers lost over $1 billion dollars in one day earlier this month, I know Elon is paranoid, but is he paranoid enough?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/shorts-against-teslas-stock-...
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#65I made this same comment on the other discussion.
I find it concerning that one person was able to push malicious code to 'production'. To me, this suggests that Tesla, a company building highly sensitive software, does not employ basic branch policies. How is is it that these changes could have made it through a code review process and get deployed?
If a company like Microsoft or Google announced that a disgruntled employee was able to push some code that, say, stole user information, I think the general reaction would be "why was this allowed to happen?" I'm not sure why Tesla gets a pass in this regard
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#66Ahh, the little man again. The little man has been giving Elon and Tesla problems for a long time. Early on Musk thought Henry Fisker, who led the design on the Model S then left to start his own EV company was the little man, so he launched a lawsuit against him, but it turned out Henry wasn't the little man, and the lawsuit was meritless. The little man talked Musk into building falcon wing doors into the Model X,…
News flash! Achieving great things is hard and everybody makes some mistakes along the way. On the way, they meet jokers who take great pride in laughing at their mistakes, because, let's be real, jokers are sore losers. Deep down they know they can't do 1% of that shit, and so yeah, let's lift a leg and piss on that fucker. That will show him!
A few mistakes along the way? He's fucking delusional, and mostly works hard taking credit for the work of other people, and for other people's money (you don't get to be a billionaire any other way). He peddles a greenwashed variant of your run of the mill rocket age fantasy that engineering types get all teary eyed about. And hey, If you like accusing people of obeying Godwin's law, now's your big chance, because I'm about to quote Mein Kampf:
>All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
>It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.
>For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.
If any of this upsets you, it's because you bought the big lie. People who care about sustainable transport ride bicycles.
Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee
#67Sounds like all the bad decisions about who to hire (low cost, inexperienced workers) and who to fire (higher cost, experienced workers), how long to force people to work, overuse of automation, etc., has caught up with Tesla. And now Musk wants to externalize it so Tesla doesn't look bad and loose _even_ more orders of the model 3.
I think you just have a lot of pot shots to take against Tesla (most of which seem to have no precedent??), and want to project them onto this situation. This story relates to an internal email Musk sent around, telling staff to speak up about suspicious behaviour. It's not like he brought this to a shareholders meeting.
Musk is not dumb enough to think that an all-company "internal" email would not leak to external media.
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#68Everyone's reaction to this seems to be "He is crazy / paranoid". He gave very specific examples of things this person did. If you were someone with a large position against Telsa, or a competing manufacturer, or an oil / gas company finally picking things up after a terrible oil price collapse, yeah maybe it makes sense to go mess things up subtly enough that the company slips a little bit closer to bankruptcy? I'm not saying I 100% believe this theory, but when you're working at this level as CEO I feel like you have to at least consider the possibility.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
News flash! Achieving great things is hard and everybody makes some mistakes along the way. On the way, they meet jokers who take great pride in laughing at their mistakes, because, let's be real, jokers are sore losers. Deep down they know they can't do 1% of that shit, and so yeah, let's lift a leg and piss on that fucker. That will show him!
Being founder / CEO of one industry disruptive company would be fine. Risky proposition under anyone's helm, yes, but Musk is a great salesman so he would stand a better chance than most of probably pulling it off. But no fewer than FOUR (Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co, SolarCity (technically under Tesla's umbrella but for all intents and purposes its own business)), it starts to strain credulity.
Landing two rockets at the same time also strains credulity. Using it as defense Is failure of imagination
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#70I have no problem believing that a disgruntled employee sabotaged part of the production line. But I do have a problem believing that all of the problems since the Model 3 started production were caused by sabotage.
I also have no problem believing that the disgruntled employee simply wanted to take revenge by sabotaging his/her employer -- that's not uncommon, and it should not be difficult to prove if it really happened. Musk is going a bit too far in suggesting that other forces are involved unless he has credible evidence, and he should share it if he has it.