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Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Get one of those credit card-sized phones like AIEK just for 911? They should be able to call 911 even without SIM card.

Right, so that's not even remotely a plausible solution for the OPs senario.

Why not? Those phones can fit into a purse, they are really credit card-sized, don't look like phones at all, and 911 can anyway identify persons by their speech when they run them through any modern voice recognition system if they need to de-anonymize them.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Will it be possible to make an anonymous 911 call? There can be scenarios, I think, where we (society) do not want to deter someone from reporting an emergency due to fear of being identified. Off the top of my head, consider a situation involving organized crime taking place, where call centre staff (or law enforcement) may be compelled to leak the identity of a witness.

An anonymous 911 call is possible if the phone itself is anonymous.

911 will always get your phone number, to make call-backs possible.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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In what circumstances would you want to contact 911 but not reveal your location?

Maybe you just don't want your location ever being sent to a gov agency no matter your predicament.

And yet here you are making a call on a cell phone. Turning off location services does not make your phone invisible on the cell network. Your provider knows with fair accuracy where your phone is at all times that it has service (and often even when it does not).

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Good for Apple for helping to save lives. As someone who's had to wait for an ambulance while someone is dying I understand how horrible that wait is and how desperately you want them to get to you as quickly as possible. The second part of this however is to ensure it's not open to abuse (by criminals or the government) for non emergency calls.

I’d like to see Apple help subsidize the cost of upgrading the software required in rural emergency call centers if it’s required to interoperate with this new feature (perhaps coming out of their corporate social responsibility budget).

maybe apple could actually pay taxes and those could be used for the same benefit ;)

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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That is not the context of this news. The context here is recording pertinent information when a person chooses to request emergency law enforcement, medical, and fire services.

Imagine the call is from a gay bar (or the vicinity). The data leaks. Now coworkers know, none of them are okay with it (even if they never confirm their assumptions), and there are no legal protections when they get fired. There are a lot of non-obvious ways seemingly-innocent data can harm marginalized groups.

Your phone already has your location through a number of means, it’s not like 911 is suddenly creating this fact. If you’re going incognito, and you have your phone on you, you’re not incognito.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Will it be possible to make an anonymous 911 call? There can be scenarios, I think, where we (society) do not want to deter someone from reporting an emergency due to fear of being identified. Off the top of my head, consider a situation involving organized crime taking place, where call centre staff (or law enforcement) may be compelled to leak the identity of a witness.

I don't think it's possible to make an anonymous 911 call unless you're using a public phone. I think this is ok, since 911 is specifically for emergencies and you generally want the police/EMS to know where you are immediately since seconds can count. I think of it a bit like implied consent in first aid: by calling 911 you are inherently consenting for your location to be shared since it is likely you are in some f…

There are also tip lines that you can call from payphones and such.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Will it be possible to make an anonymous 911 call? There can be scenarios, I think, where we (society) do not want to deter someone from reporting an emergency due to fear of being identified. Off the top of my head, consider a situation involving organized crime taking place, where call centre staff (or law enforcement) may be compelled to leak the identity of a witness.

Burner phone?

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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I must be missing something, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_9-1-1

Hasn't 911 location been shared via gps location in pretty much every cellphone for the past decade?

I remember shitty verizon kyocera clamshells advertising gps for 911 in like 2004.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Will it be possible to make an anonymous 911 call? There can be scenarios, I think, where we (society) do not want to deter someone from reporting an emergency due to fear of being identified. Off the top of my head, consider a situation involving organized crime taking place, where call centre staff (or law enforcement) may be compelled to leak the identity of a witness.

An anonymous 911 call is possible if the phone itself is anonymous. 911 will always get your phone number, to make call-backs possible.

Really how? Remember you don't need a number or SIM or service to call 911.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Will it be possible to make an anonymous 911 call? There can be scenarios, I think, where we (society) do not want to deter someone from reporting an emergency due to fear of being identified. Off the top of my head, consider a situation involving organized crime taking place, where call centre staff (or law enforcement) may be compelled to leak the identity of a witness.

Some tip lines have anonymity policies. I think 911 generally isn't anonymous because of the abuse potential.
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