Pregnancy Discrimination Is Rampant Inside America’s Biggest Companies

Post by bdamm » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

ukj wrote: post #9

rednerrus wrote: post #2

One of the solutions to this is matching paternity leave. If I gave you the choice of two employees, one of whom would take 12 weeks of paid leave and one who would take 2 weeks of paid leave, which would you choose? If you offered both sexes 12 weeks of paid leave, you wouldn't have to make this decision.

I guess I'll be making damn sure to negotiate a pay raise based on the fact I've chosen not to have children! Where do I sign to veto my paternity leave?

Post by ukj » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #16

ukj wrote: post #9

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I guess I'll be making damn sure to negotiate a pay raise based on the fact I've chosen not to have children! Where do I sign to veto my paternity leave?

Or, you know, businesses and societies could leave that as a courtesy to just those that did chose to have children -- a group of people that every society that cares about sustaining itself forward should encourage and respect.

Post by chongli » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:01 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #6

rednerrus wrote: post #2

One of the solutions to this is matching paternity leave. If I gave you the choice of two employees, one of whom would take 12 weeks of paid leave and one who would take 2 weeks of paid leave, which would you choose? If you offered both sexes 12 weeks of paid leave, you wouldn't have to make this decision.

You'd have to make it mandatory leave. The social pressure is still tilted towards women as care givers and men as providers so more men will end up not using the leave. If it becomes mandatory then it's just a baked in rising to every employee, _and_ will probably do better for society to have both parents get time with their children. I believe some European states solve this by having the state cover ~60% of your…

Post by untog » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:02 PM UTC

Geeek wrote: post #24

untog wrote: post #19

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Why would fathers have biological pressure to spend less time with their children? I'd take five years paternity leave if I could get it.

Fathers can’t breastfeed.

Post by Geeek » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:05 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #27

Geeek wrote: post #24

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Fathers can’t breastfeed.

You are giving a reason not to deny a mother time with a child, not a reason for a father to spend less. There is no "biological pressure" that forces fathers to go back to work. (as it happens, fathers can breastfeed, albeit not literally. Mothers can pump breastmilk for fathers to feed to the child, or they can use formula. It's a perfectly viable way to raise a child, and people do)