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Strange statement. Why would a business guy be judged on firing people. Its not like he is running a charity. I like SpaceX because of what they do, not because they 'provide jobs to the community'.
You can't think of a single instance where people have thought poorly of business guys for firing people?
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You can't think of a single instance where people have thought poorly of business guys for firing people?
It's really revolting, but these days, Wall Street will buy stocks that are announcing layoffs. "Better margins!!!" is all Wall Street hears from layoffs now, not "market headwinds". And of course the human aspect of losing a job is completely immaterial to the Wall Street trader's mind. EDIT: A downvote without a rebuttal enriches none of our minds.
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Alternatively, Musk does a lot of bad things and the journalists are rightfully calling him out for it. Musk is notoriously anti-union, continually over-promises then under-delivers, has continually treated his wives as trophies, and has designed a worse subway just because he doesn't want his knees to touch some peasant's knees. He's just another shitty billionaire
That's true. Musk, like all people, have their positives and negatives. But he's always been this way. The question is why the sudden change in sentiment? And as bad as elon musk is, the journalists are much worse. I'd rather have a world full of elon musks than journalists. > Musk is notoriously anti-union To be fair, no entrepreneur in a fledgling/new industry is pro-union. Actually, no entrepreneur is pro-union. >…
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There's definitely cases where removing a person from a project speeds it up. Just to name a few: * the person removed is a distraction to the team in some way, possibly outside of their control * the team is over the two-pizza limit, and coordination costs are out of control * roles between individuals aren't clear, and removing one of them makes it obvious, removing a source of confusion [edit: added some examples]
> the two-pizza limit OT, but can someone please explain this to me? From what I understand this is a team size that you can still feed with two pizzas. But how is this different from just saying "the two-person limit"? When I'm with friends, we order one pizza per person. On occasion, when I haven't eaten a lot during the day, I've ordered two pizzas just for myself. And I'm a regular sized Dutch guy, so not one of…
Note: I hate 90% of pizza.
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"To date, the only proven model for treading new ground in space is large defense contractors spending gobs of State money." This is exactly the problem Space X is meant to solve. Costs need to come down radically, and State money is too fickle to be relied on for reaching long term goals.
But is it the problem Space X is solving? It's easy to make costs come down when you're just refining 50+ year old technology that you know will work. That's a whole different ballgame from what it'll take to push new boundaries.
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Those stats aren't for autosteer (which is the point of contention) alone, and include AEB which no doubt saves lives. This brings me to a crucial point. Nobody doubts that assistive technology save lives. Not just automatic emergency braking, but even lane keeping assists. What Tesla does is however take lane keeping assist and give it more responsibility of actively driving the car. It's not clear if that is safe.…
> Those stats aren't for autosteer (which is the point of contention) alone, and include AEB which no doubt saves lives. What are you basing this on? AEB was available before Autosteer, and it says in the report that the 40% improvement was after Autosteer installation. > What Tesla does is however take lane keeping assist and give it more responsibility of actively driving the car. Autosteer specifically is new, but…
Read the whole article
> Tesla’s oft-touted figure is flawed for another reason, experts say: With this data set, you can’t separate the role of Autopilot from that of automatic emergency braking, which Tesla began releasing just a few months before Autopilot.
I hold the same view for TACC. And cruise control doesn't require reducing attention. That is the prime difference, active (longitudinal or latitudinal) control that encourages users to reduce attention but still relies on them, and leaves then liable is dangerous.
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> Those stats aren't for autosteer (which is the point of contention) alone, and include AEB which no doubt saves lives. What are you basing this on? AEB was available before Autosteer, and it says in the report that the 40% improvement was after Autosteer installation. > What Tesla does is however take lane keeping assist and give it more responsibility of actively driving the car. Autosteer specifically is new, but…
From here https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-safety-statistic... Read the whole article > Tesla’s oft-touted figure is flawed for another reason, experts say: With this data set, you can’t separate the role of Autopilot from that of automatic emergency braking, which Tesla began releasing just a few months before Autopilot. I hold the same view for TACC. And cruise control doesn't require reducing attention.…
It's too bad that NHTSA didn't present the AEB-only cohort in the report (i.e. pre-AEB vs AEB vs AEB + Autosteer instead of just pre-Autosteer vs Autosteer).
I respectfully disagree about TACC and Autosteer (or put another way: my experience with them leads me to the opposite hypothesis, and thus my burden of proof is flipped from yours). Hopefully between Elon's promised quarterly reports, NHTSA's current and future investigations, and Tesla putting more cars on the road, we'll get better data on this moving forward than we've gotten to date.
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From here https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-safety-statistic... Read the whole article > Tesla’s oft-touted figure is flawed for another reason, experts say: With this data set, you can’t separate the role of Autopilot from that of automatic emergency braking, which Tesla began releasing just a few months before Autopilot. I hold the same view for TACC. And cruise control doesn't require reducing attention.…
Hey, thanks for that citation. That was really helpful for me to understand this critique of the data. My reading is that the 40% figure still represents the switch to Autosteer, but because the first cohort contains both AEB and non-AEB data, we don't know how much of that 40% improvement to allocate to Autosteer vs how much to allocate to AEB. Makes sense. It's too bad that NHTSA didn't present the AEB-only cohort…
So, let me reiterate -- we agree that autosteer is lane keeping assist given more responsibility. If that's helpful to the driver or dangerous as it distracts him is a debate were should have with better data, which we don't have. Unfortunately, I personally don't trust Tesla giving data without any hidden unsaid caveats, given their behavior till date.
However, there is another topic we should talk about. Do you think improving autosteer lane detection with vision will make a car driverless capable? Because that's precisely Tesla markets their technology as, with coast to coast drive, or cross country summon, or driverless taxis. I personally don't believe a line following robot is enough for self driving. Infact, I like Google's approach more, where they drive only when the road is free of any object (3d mapped by lidar).
Even then, I don't think that's enough either. For example, say a ball bounces on front of you. I stop expecting a child or a dog running after it. I think driving means interacting with the environment, and responding appropriately to it, and would require a general AI.
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That's true. Musk, like all people, have their positives and negatives. But he's always been this way. The question is why the sudden change in sentiment? And as bad as elon musk is, the journalists are much worse. I'd rather have a world full of elon musks than journalists. > Musk is notoriously anti-union To be fair, no entrepreneur in a fledgling/new industry is pro-union. Actually, no entrepreneur is pro-union. >…
Imagine being such a bootlicker that you support the objectification of women: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start...
And I never said I supported the objectification of women. I said I believed in independent free choice of both men and women. If a woman chooses to be a trophy wife, that's her right as a free individual. If a man chooses to marry a trophy wife, that's his right as a free individual.
Whether a man wants to marry a man or a woman wants to marry a woman or a billionaire wants to marry a trophy wife or a trophy wife wants to marry a billionaire, it's their right. As long as they are consenting adults. If consenting adults doing what they want bothers you, then the problem is with you, not them.