Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there actually a market for things like CNN? It seems that CNN being shoved in your face is kind of its thing.
I mean as opposed to, say, Netflix or Hulu. AT&T can, under the present legal regime, perfectly legitimately say, "Here's all this 'free' content for you. You'll have to subscribe to the 'Not Our Content' package to access those other services..." But, sure. Let's run with your example: imagine you had an ISP who let you read Fox News for free, but charged you to visit CNN.
AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner
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Re: AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner
#172The acquisition target is 'Time Warner Inc.', primarily a television and film company, whose products and subvisions include HBO and Cinemax, the TV networks CNN, TBS, Turner Classic Movies, TNT, and various joint ventures with US sports leagues, and Warner Bros, which now includes DC Comics/DC Entertainment. Meanwhile, AT&T is largely a telecom and satellite broadcast company, which under its various subsidiaries of…
The part that bothers me about each of those acquisitions is that none of those utility companies are well-liked by their customers (instead being the most hated companies). The fact that they all have the ability to acquire these other large entities which aren't reviled shows that they really are scalping their customers. And it isn't just Comcast or AT&T or Verizon, it's all of them. That is highly irregular for t…
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? I’ve got two fiber lines into my house in a Maryland county where most people are on septic and well. Unsurprisingly, Big California cities have Big California impediments to broadband deployment.
You in Westminister, MD or Howard county?
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Well, the judge has to base the decision on a whole bunch of laws. It's not like judges get to decide this on their own. This is a weird opinion to hold when you take the fact that two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws.
Judging is the act of applying law (general) to a particular case (specific). Since laws can't anticipate every future situation at their time of writing, no matter what there will _always_ be some disconnect between these two -- i.e. vagueness/generality in law, leading to edge cases. Which is why two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws, based on…
A lower district judge can't overrule a higher judge's opinions.
Re: AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
The merger is set to close next Monday. DOJ can file for a stay, but the judge warned them that would be unwise. I think the DOJ will just take it as a loss.
> DOJ can file for a stay, but the judge warned them that would be unwise. What would they have to lose?
The burden to prove impact on competition is on the plaintiff. The article does not elaborate on the judge's argument about how they failed. I am curious about the other side's argument also.
Two statements to ponder: >>"The bulk of the third-party competitor testimony proffered by the government was speculative, based on unproven assumptions, or unsupported -- or even contradicted -- by the government’s own evidence," Leon wrote.
>> "I couldn’t help but notice that the more and more questions were raised during trial about the reliability of Professor Shapiro’s theory and model, the more the government appeared to be minimizing the importance of his analysis," the judge wrote.
I can only infer from this the judge felt DOJ did not have a consistent and non-speculative case (see above). I am not sure what they can bring up during appeals as new evidence. They can appeal the speculation argumentation I guess.
In general, I am not sure what else one can bring to the table regarding mergers. Yes, whatever you bring to the table is going to be some form of speculation. That in itself should not be enough for dismissal, in my opinion of course. The law says differently (substantial). The defendant can always claim they are not going to raise prices. If 5 years from now, the consumer is , nobody is going to recall this merge as the root.
People just find it too hard to understand the impact of financial actions (one of the reasons you do not see SEC filing more often).
I am awaiting for the written ruling, but having checked previous cases, and inaction from DOJ, I don't expect much.
P.S. I am not sure this is really a vertical merger. It doesn't seem this clear cut to me. Thoughts on this?
Re: AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? I’ve got two fiber lines into my house in a Maryland county where most people are on septic and well. Unsurprisingly, Big California cities have Big California impediments to broadband deployment.
> Big California cities have Big California impediments to broadband deployment. What have they done, relative to other cities, to impede broadband deployment?
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Can they appeal the case in higher courts?
The merger is set to close next Monday. DOJ can file for a stay, but the judge warned them that would be unwise. I think the DOJ will just take it as a loss.
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Well let's not grab our pitchforks just yet. I'm sure if this was a thread discussing Judge Leon's 2013 opinion that NSA metadata collection violated the 4th amendment, HN would be singing his praises. But in this case he's approved a merger we don't like so he must be a total idiot or (as is being suggested further down in the thread) was bribed and has family members that will be getting board AT&T seats pretty soo…
I should point out that this doesn't really change the broadband ISP landscape. Time Warner Cable is not apart of Time Warner anymore. All this does is give AT&T a better chance at entering the "original content" space and to take advantage of the fact that streaming providers like Youtube TV and Netflix would need to now pay AT&T for their content. Honestly I don't think this is all that bad of a move. I'd rather AT…
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This merger is bad news for the citizenry. It is. And had it been successfully blocked, the message would be clearly understood by media outlet owners far beyond CNN's owner. It is in fact lose-lose. Same goes for whatever ends up happening to Amazon/WaPo. This is the only anti-trust you can expect to see now.
> Same goes for whatever ends up happening to Amazon/WaPo. Pretty sure Bezos bought it, not Amazon.
I don't think the folks who ended net neutrality then go on twitter tirades against Amazon for the public good. Especially since each tweet drives down the value of tech companies.
I certainly can't defend the AT&T-Warner merger nor Amazon's near monopoly. But the enforcement is totally selective and for an insidious reason.
http://fortune.com/2018/04/04/donald-trump-amazon-jeff-bezos...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/07/trump-bezos-...
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#180Merging the threads now. Submitted URLs so far, besides this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/business/dealbook/att-tim... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/att-time-warner-ruling.html https://www.dallasnews.com/business/att/2018/06/12/att-wins-... http://about.att.com/story/att_to_acquire_time_warner.html If anyone knows a significantly better URL for this submission, let us know and we can change it again.
https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/att-time-warner-merger-app... More details, especially where it matters. and a more analytic language.