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Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by zaroth »

koube wrote: post #41
nonbel wrote: post #29

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>"mental frailty...they begin to question everything" As opposed to blindly "believe everything"? I would say the ability to question everything is evidence of a strong independent adult mind. The ability to just believe everything you are told isn't really "frail" (which I associate with old age and wisdom), but still weak in a childlike sense.

Over time people build up useful heuristics. There is a difference between questioning authority vs questioning why tuesdays exist and if maybe it's sunday for dogs.

Clearly it is always Sunday for dogs.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by rarec »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #86
rarec wrote: post #85

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My statement also had a second part which you seemingly missed for the sake of your argument. Calisthenics, or bodyweight, exercises are perfectly viable for becoming fit and require nothing than you being able to find a nice spot on a floor. If this hypothetical person is that strapped for time, then how do they even get any sleep? That's an even bigger issue than not being able to work out consistently.

Sure mate, no, you're right. Everyone who can't find time to consistently exercise is just slovenly, and for that reason fuck 'em, they don't deserve mental health.

Now that's just insulting for the sake of being insulting. I said if they cannot find the time for exercise, then that is the bigger hurtle they should overcome. Likely, that's the key contributor to their mental health problem over not being able to do a few push ups at night.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by Sir_Substance »

rarec wrote: post #93
Sir_Substance wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure mate, no, you're right. Everyone who can't find time to consistently exercise is just slovenly, and for that reason fuck 'em, they don't deserve mental health.

Now that's just insulting for the sake of being insulting. I said if they cannot find the time for exercise, then that is the bigger hurtle they should overcome. Likely, that's the key contributor to their mental health problem over not being able to do a few push ups at night.

>I said if they cannot find the time for exercise, then that is the bigger hurtle they should overcome. Likely, that's the key contributor to their mental health problem

Oh, I see! You're proposing fixing the widening class gap in most western countries. Sign me up!

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by benevol »

artursapek wrote: post #77
jonknee wrote: post #16

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A clinical setting is far different than giving someone some tabs and letting them loose at a concert or house party.

A clinic, concert, or house party are all terrible settings for taking LSD. They are confined, crowded spaces. You want something wide open, in nature. Try the mountains, or the desert.

> A clinic, concert, or house party are all terrible settings for taking LSD.

That's certainly the main reason for "bad trips". People just don't bother to read up on everything properly before the trip. So they do stupid things. And then it's the substance's fault.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by ameister14 »

stinos wrote: post #73
ameister14 wrote: post #65

This is wildly speculative, as expected. Some mice grew dendrites. That doesn't mean anything about humans and doesn't come close to meaning anything about depression. It's not that simple.

I don't think the claim is 'it's that simple', but rather 'this warrants more research into the subject'. As usual. But that's not a bad thing.

Sure - if the underlying hypothesis that it's the plasticity that makes ketamine effective is true, these things also promote plasticity so it's worth looking into. Speculative news articles like this though mostly serve to have people debate and form opinions well before evidence is presented, though, as is what is happening in this thread.

There's a very long road between showing that these drugs promote neuritogenesis and proving their clinical effectiveness.

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Post by gepi79 »

dang wrote: post #80
gepi79 wrote: post #74

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> She was a very intelligent girl, perhaps an ancient soul. The author suffers from psychosis. Many people accept psychosis as normal. PS: Removed the word "religion" to prevent a religious flamewar.

Please don't break the site guideline against name-calling in arguments, and please especially don't take threads into religious flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry. I corrected my comment.

Can you uncensor it ?

Besides there is no "name calling" against the author of the post.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by User23 »

Jare wrote: post #18
briga wrote: post #14

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A lot of people just want a no-effort cure-all. Things like exercise, meditation, healthy eating--all of which can help with mental health problems--require concentrated effort over a long period of time, and thus are unlikely to be preferred over a pill. Before anyone gets upset, I'm not saying that pills are bad, I'm just saying that many rely on them without making an effort to make other positive changes to their…

"Mental health" and "making an effort" are two dangerous terms to combine in the same argument. Just getting out of bed every morning can already be a big effort for many people with mental health problems, much bigger effort than exercise is for many sane folks; it should be appreciated as such.

Your point is taken, but one must remember that in the end we are all of us responsible for our own lives.

There's a reason why people who lift joke that the heaviest weight in the gym is the front door.

One approach that has worked well for many is establishing positive habits to displace negative ones. That takes a while, but there are tricks to help, like having a group to hold you accountable.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by alexbeloi »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #61

I tried Psychedelics for my depression, and my roommate has been self medicating similarly. I think they can help - but they're going to make the current opioid epidemic look like child's play. I have very carefully limited my intake - and I'm finding that I don't like a lot of what I've found. I'm definitely finding my roommate is becoming a worse person, and well on the way to all of the ugly things that we associa…

Can I ask what psychedelics you're referring to?

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by cyberpip »

pmoriarty wrote: post #90
cyberpip wrote: post #64

Lately, all this media attention to psychedelics reminds me of this Terence McKenna quote: "[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for. It’s an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this." from https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Rap+Dan…

"[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet" Psychedelics might reveal to you that the neat little reality that you thought you had all figured out is a lot stranger and different from from what you thought it was, that your understanding of it might be all wrong, and that your place in it might not be all that cozy and secure. The experience could put everything in to questi…

Another Terence McKenna quote I'm reminded of!

"The British enzymologist, J. B. S. Haldane in the 1920s, in an essay, said, "The universe may not only be stranger than we suppose; it may be stranger than we can suppose," and I suggest to you that as we look back over human history, every pinnacle of civilizationf whether it be Mayan or Greco-Roman or Song dynasty, has believed that it was in possession of an accurate description of the cosmos and of man's relationship to it. This seems to go- this seems to go along with the full flowering of a civilization. But, from the point of view of our present civilization, we regard all those conceptions as, at worst quaint, at best half right, and congratulate ourselves that our civilization, at last, has its finger on the real description of what is going on. " from https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Psychedelic+Society?query=stran...

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