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Birth Rates Dropped Most in U.S. Counties Where Home Prices Grew Most

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Re: Birth Rates Dropped Most in U.S. Counties Where Home Prices Grew Most

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Post by webXL »

utexaspunk wrote: post #252
dexen wrote: post #244

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You are missing one important factor: prices of locally rendered services will factor in the high housing costs of the service provider workers, and of service establishments. I.e., all the services will be significantly more expensive just as well. And even goods' prices will reflect the high rent costs, given that stocking & sale of good requires[1] employment of local workers, and purchase/rental of local commerci…

So you need absolute income minus housing costs [PPP]?

Well, it would be PPP adjusted income minus nominal housing costs then. But since housing costs factor into everything you purchase, that metric would probably only give you a sense what was being spent locally vs. spent everywhere else and/or saved.

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Post by toasterlovin »

CalRobert wrote: post #305
toasterlovin wrote: post #251

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Fuck the job. Do your one kid a favor and have another kid. Siblings are just about the most useful things you can have in life.

I'm conflicted because the carbon footprint of another kid is substantial. Then again, individual action is utterly meaningless. With ~8billion people it just doesn't matter what I do. Only large-scale action that brings about systemic changes matters. And hey, maybe one of my kids will be the one to help fix it! Then again, if people viewed 2 as a nominal max then we'd still be on the right path (a bit below replace…

FWIW, if you care about the environment, the right move is to have kids. All species expand to fill their ecological niche. If you abstain from having children, their spots will just be taken up by other people's children. We are powerless to influence the number of people, but we can influence the proportion of people who have an environmentalist bent.

I hear you about the career thing. I have sacrificed immensely to be able to afford a family. But now, when I am surrounded by my children, I think about all of the possibilities that lay ahead of them, all the grand adventures they will have and the adversities they will overcome, and I remark to myself, "I made all of this possible".

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Post by toasterlovin »

ck425 wrote: post #306
toasterlovin wrote: post #303

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I think it’s pretty patronizing to make this choice for other people. IMO, there’s only one person whose moral right it is to decide whether a life is worthwhile. And that’s the person whose life it is.

No there's not, because one lifeform's existed can effect others. Additionally when debating if life should come to be, the lifeform in question can't have an opinion until after the fact.

Think about the kind of life you think would have been better off not existing. Surely there are people alive whose life fits your criteria. Now imagine telling one of these people that it would have been better if they never existed.

Probably they'll tell you where you can stick your notions.

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Post by toasterlovin »

ck425 wrote: post #297
toasterlovin wrote: post #251

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Fuck the job. Do your one kid a favor and have another kid. Siblings are just about the most useful things you can have in life.

As someone with 4 siblings I'm going to have to disagree with this. Siblings aren't inherently good things to have in life. I know plenty of only children who have never wanted a sibling and plenty of folk who are largely indifferent to their siblings. It depends massively on the personality of the people involved.

If you think that life insurance, disability insurance, and a social safety net are good things, then you think that siblings are a good thing.

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Post by marketgod »

ecpottinger wrote: post #274
AstralStorm wrote: post #219

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Something productive that can be done in a car or train you mean. Not, say: - Being with your kids, spouse or helping them out to school or work - Housekeeping - Working out - Doing anything that requires undisturbed attention

My friend does the Go Train from Oshawa to Toronto every work day. She spends the time on the train either reading a book or watch a video of a show she is following. On the way home she will sometimes watch a movie and finish it at home. Time on the train does not have to be work or a vegetable.

Just to add perspective here. Toronto anywhere proper, you have to get on a bus generally, to get to the station. Then you have to take the train south to Union. Then take the GO, East to Oshawa. The entire trip can be done in less than hour, but you are walking between connecting options for 10-15 minutes which limits your "free time."

The idea here is many people want a house and if you aren't DINKs then Oshawa was cheaper in housing a while ago. Now it's almost similar to Toronto cost and rent is nearing.

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Post by stale2002 »

mylons wrote: post #130
hshehehjdjdjd wrote: post #108

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You won’t, because you were smart and rented instead. :)

haha, but what if it doesn't pop and we see something like Japan's economy from the early 90's on? High prices that never come down, combined with wage stagnation? We're kind of already seeing it now.

Wages have to stagnate for a whole long time for our 200k+ salaries to lose their value.

I'll worry about that in 10 years if that happens. Plenty of time.

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Post by Obi_Juan_Kenobi »

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #288
wil421 wrote: post #169

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Yea and the majority of people don’t make anywhere near 400k. You still need a huge low paid workforce to get things running. Firemen, police, teacher, retail and grocery workers, cleaners, bus drivers, plumbers and the like.

I remember an article showing up a while back about a unionized BART janitor raking in nearly 300k.

That's someone who learned how to game the OT system. A real issue, sure, but not at all indicative of how much BART employees make. It's the same kind of manipulative bullshit that spawned the 'Welfare Queen' myth.

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Post by Obi_Juan_Kenobi »

CalRobert wrote: post #305
toasterlovin wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck the job. Do your one kid a favor and have another kid. Siblings are just about the most useful things you can have in life.

I'm conflicted because the carbon footprint of another kid is substantial. Then again, individual action is utterly meaningless. With ~8billion people it just doesn't matter what I do. Only large-scale action that brings about systemic changes matters. And hey, maybe one of my kids will be the one to help fix it! Then again, if people viewed 2 as a nominal max then we'd still be on the right path (a bit below replace…

Population stability is probably the metric to optimize for if you care about sustainability. Rapidly growing or shrinking populations cause problems.

Given how much the West flirts with the replacement rate, I think you should do whatever you feel like doing.

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Post by mkirklions »

toasterlovin wrote: post #294
mkirklions wrote: post #276

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I hope to have a large family for this reason. I dont know if I'll have the time to give kids my full attention. I found my brother was/is the reason I'm a nerd. Sure my dad was a database manager, but I spend hours daily with my brother gaming. I dont even think I wanted to spend a half hour with my 'boring' dad.

When thinking about having children and about the level of care and attention you’ll be able to give them, I think it’s useful to have the right comparison in mind. If you’re considering having another child, that child’s choices are not between your limited time and attention on the one hand and, on the other, parents who can shower them with time and attention. Instead, the alternative to your limited time and atte…

>the alternative to your limited time and attention is never getting to be alive.

Eh, if anyone should have kids, it should be the financially well off and educated people.

Remember that your logic isnt going to stop impoverished people from having 4 kids and welfare.

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Post by isostatic »

kamaal wrote: post #240
Swizec wrote: post #202

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Don’t forget to take transportation cost out of your $3000 per month. I live across the street from the office and yes the rent is stupid, but my commute is a 5 minute walk. And rent is still stupid in a 30min radius (for a total of 1h/day). You really have to go 1h+ radius to make a significant dent in rent around here (SF).

If you are working for somebody else, you can't exactly make any extra money by working extra hours. At least in a programmers case. The only real thing to gain in this case is convenience.

Depends on your contract and whether you get paid overtime.
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