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Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by victor106 »

pheon wrote: post #62
victor106 wrote: post #41

Anyone here know how much a typical (I know its hard to qualify a 'typical' programmer) gets paid in Japan compared to the US?

Peanuts. Japans labor market structure is based on the army/military mode of operation. Imagine your skilled with a riffle because.. you like to shoot stuff out on the farm. Sign up for the army and you will be shipped to bootcamp where they teach you how to shoot "correctly", polish your shoes and make your bed and most importantly chain of command. Note: commanding office says jump, you say how high. You have your…

Wow!!! Can’t believe it’s so hierarchical.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by yamakadi »

icelancer wrote: post #87
jaredklewis wrote: post #75

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When is race used to deny people things in Japan?

Huh? How about trying to rent property. Landlords overwhelmingly deny non-Nihojin non-salarymen.

Being a foreigner is the issue there, not being a different race or ethnicity. You are just as likely to be denied by a landlord for being a part time worker as well even if you are Japanese.

The first time I’ve experienced anything close to discrimination here was when looking for a house. Despite the kind real estate agent trying his best on the phone, he couldn’t convince the landlord’s wife to even show us the house. She kept saying she couldn’t trust me and my wife to stay quiet and orderly, that she didn’t want to deal with “cultural differences”.

Here, more often than not, you are dealing with scared and uncomfortable people who don’t know how to deal with you.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by JanisL »

lev99 wrote: post #109
iandanforth wrote: post #99

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Am I reading this wrong? It looks like you get 40 points for having a salary of 10M yen. That's not very high for tech jobs. That plus having a few years of experience, a bachelors, and being under 40 gets you past the 70 point bar at least.

A tech job making 10M yen in Japan is a very different experience than a tech job in the US making 100k+ a year.

I don't know too much about employment in Japan, would love it if you could elaborate on this.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by adventured »

JanisL wrote: post #113
lev99 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tech job making 10M yen in Japan is a very different experience than a tech job in the US making 100k+ a year.

I don't know too much about employment in Japan, would love it if you could elaborate on this.

The average programmer salary in Japan is half that of the US, approximately. Their economy is dramatically smaller per capita than the US (the US GDP per capita is 58% higher), and then on top of that engineers are not paid nearly so well as in the US within that economic potential.

It's a lot more rare to make $100,000+ per year as a programmer in Japan. Normal circumstances generally will not get you there.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by adventured »

yamakadi wrote: post #112
icelancer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? How about trying to rent property. Landlords overwhelmingly deny non-Nihojin non-salarymen.

Being a foreigner is the issue there, not being a different race or ethnicity. You are just as likely to be denied by a landlord for being a part time worker as well even if you are Japanese. The first time I’ve experienced anything close to discrimination here was when looking for a house. Despite the kind real estate agent trying his best on the phone, he couldn’t convince the landlord’s wife to even show us the ho…

> Being a foreigner is the issue there, not being a different race or ethnicity.

A convenient cover premise when the population is extraordinarily homogeneous: most of the foreigners are going to be another ethnicity and or race.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by adventured »

craftyguy wrote: post #51
zeth___ wrote: post #49

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Compared to where? Most of the world is China, India and Africa. The rest of the developed world is vastly better than Japan when it comes to treating immigrants better.

Here in the US, there are quite a few folks who are openly hostile towards immigrants.

US population: ~60% white non-hispanic, 20% hispanic, 14% black, 6% Asian

Japan: 98.5% ethnic Japanese

Immigrants in the US + their US born children = 27% of the population, roughly 86 million people, or equal to 3/4 the size of Japan's entire population. Such hostility.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by cdavid »

lev99 wrote: post #109
iandanforth wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I reading this wrong? It looks like you get 40 points for having a salary of 10M yen. That's not very high for tech jobs. That plus having a few years of experience, a bachelors, and being under 40 gets you past the 70 point bar at least.

A tech job making 10M yen in Japan is a very different experience than a tech job in the US making 100k+ a year.

You need to make 10M JPY in your job before coming to Japan.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by icelancer »

adventured wrote: post #115
yamakadi wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a foreigner is the issue there, not being a different race or ethnicity. You are just as likely to be denied by a landlord for being a part time worker as well even if you are Japanese. The first time I’ve experienced anything close to discrimination here was when looking for a house. Despite the kind real estate agent trying his best on the phone, he couldn’t convince the landlord’s wife to even show us the ho…

> Being a foreigner is the issue there, not being a different race or ethnicity. A convenient cover premise when the population is extraordinarily homogeneous: most of the foreigners are going to be another ethnicity and or race.

Yeah, weird.

Also, Yu Darvish got plenty of shit in his country before he became an elite pitcher in NPB - his father is Iranian. It wasn't just being a foreigner, Yu was full blooded Japanese, born there and everything.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by pheon »

victor106 wrote: post #111
pheon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peanuts. Japans labor market structure is based on the army/military mode of operation. Imagine your skilled with a riffle because.. you like to shoot stuff out on the farm. Sign up for the army and you will be shipped to bootcamp where they teach you how to shoot "correctly", polish your shoes and make your bed and most importantly chain of command. Note: commanding office says jump, you say how high. You have your…

Wow!!! Can’t believe it’s so hierarchical.

In corporate Japan, its even numbered too. Software Division 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Platoon, Company, Battalion 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.

Of course the goal is to get into Division 1, as its the most prestigious.

Re: Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its doors

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Post by xue »

victor106 wrote: post #41

Anyone here know how much a typical (I know its hard to qualify a 'typical' programmer) gets paid in Japan compared to the US?

Check Fujistu, NEC, Hitachi and some game companies, As long as you are a programmer, I believe the median is around 6 million yen(56 grand), with highest no more than 10 million(9 grand).
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