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Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

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This is good advice, the problem is that you are suffering burn out. !0 years sounds about right. You need to get back to your roots and one way I recommend to do it, is to get into embedded. It gets you back into a small reward loop where little things net positive feedback. The other thing that I recommend to people is get closer to a research discipline. If you are really that burnt out, try applying your trade to…

How do you suggest getting involved in Bio-Engineering. I'm a programmer, I've applied to a few opportunities but no one has replied :-(

You need to first educate yourself on the subject at hand. Then when you know enough about the subject join one of the open source projects.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmiss/ http://www.physiome.org/

there are countless others just use Google. This will help you establish a network of individuals in the industry. Software skills along will not get you that far. You need domain knowledge as well as contacts in the industry.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#72
post #8

Instead of being motivated only by technology have you considered trying to create a product or starting a company? (this is HN after all). Lots of people using (and maybe even liking) something you built can be pretty compelling.

Starting a company: Yes, I tried that during my freelancing time. The plan was to freelance on the side to keep myself afloat until the company could carry itself. Except things didn't work out: not only did the company not find any clients, as a freelancer I didn't get enough contracts to actually keep myself afloat. The timing of me trying that was incredibly stupid in retrospect; 2002/3 would have to be the worst years in the past decade to try something like that.

The main thing I did learn from that entire episode is that I suck at marketing/selling. While trying again is not completely off the table, I would definitely only try it again with a co-founder who is a good sales person.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

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I think that if it seems that "there is nothing new under the sun", you're probably looking at things from too far away. Try looking into more concrete matters (best: a specific problem, easiest: specific technology). In my experience I know that at times I have been engrossed in what would now appear to be awfully boring things, just because I dug deep enough.

[Corollary: if you think that revolutions in your field are happening every month, you may want to have a look at the state of things from afar.]

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#75
When the social web came out, I wasn't completely enamored with it as well. It was only later, when I started getting into "network science"[1], and began to view social systems and the internet as large complex systems, that the social web really clicked as something fascinating to get involved with from an engineering perspective.

Since, as you say, you're not a "particularly social person", maybe if you step back from many of the inanities of the social web and take a big picture view of the system, including the similarities between social systems, biological systems, and other systems, you may gain a new perspective on it.

[1] See http://www.amazon.com/Networks-Introduction-Mark-Newman/dp/0... for a good introduction.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

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I was born in China and all my first memory is about little me saying "I'm going to join the red army and become a scientist and save the world". The world, which is China. And then, I've moved to Europe in the early 90s. I've discovered something new: my dad's mac. First, I was only playing Go and dark castle on it but then, I've started asking myself how to make my own games. My parents are all engineers and they told me a lil' about Dos, FreeBSD but also Linux. I've received my first PC at 11 and the first thing I did is playing Fallout. The second thing I did is using a hex-editor to crack the save to get the best weapons :p And I've also received Internet at home! Life changing! I've actually met people "like me". Very smart people indeed. And I've learnt much more on the web than at school and I felt I was apart of another world. IRC was more real than IRL. And thanks to the Internet, I've read a lot of tutorials and ABCs so I started writing my first lines in C/C+ and ASM at 12 and never stopped... well, I've actually stopped. One day, at 21, I discovered I wanted to do something else. I mean, I still like technology in general but I've actually stopped reading hackers blogs, cookbooks and I stopped trying every crackme challenge over the web. I was fed up with all of these things. I felt I was just a rebellious kid trying to prove to himself how smart he was. So I stopped. And so I've asked myself exactly this question same question: what now?

Well, "now", after 3-4 years, I'm doing a business degree. I've also met the girl I love. I've also played in a French TV series. Oh, yeah, I've also been all around the world. Actually, I did many things. Much more than expected. I thought, when I stopped living before my PC, that I'd maybe find a new "hobby" and just farm it like I've farmed C/C+. Nop, nothing about farming just "one" thing but doing, sometimes casually, many, many different things.

But guess what? I've started a Web-startup (elive.pro)! Just like that. Because I can. And because I still like technology. And because if I was fed up with the hackers' environment 4 years ago, now, it's pretty different for me: I don't know much about the so-called Web 2.0 and I want to learn, to do something. And meet new people. Smart people.

You know what? It's all about love. Technology is for many of us, our first and our real love. You will rekindle the flame. But sometimes, even if you really love something or someone, you have to let it or her/him alone.

So, let the technology stuffs alone. Try new things and one day, you'll automatically come back to your first love. Maybe not as a developer but definitely come back somehow.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#78
post #43

I actually probably have nearly the same history as you. Graduated about the same time as you. Been fascinated with computing as long as you. And just about as fed up with the current state of things as you. I think the difference between us is I've got some notoriety so I'm looking to at least try to tear down the current situation before I get out of here. I figure might as well give it a shot, and if it doesn't wo…

The hard part here, of course, is coming up with something else to do. While basically sound advise, after years of a wakeup-work-eat-bed cycle while worrying about the negative content of the bank account, thinking around a corner is hard, let alone thinking outside the box. But I'll try not to force the issue and see what comes up.

I took a few-year vacation from I.T. quite a while back, and spent the time as a climbing instructor and in outdoor industry retail. It was a lot of fun, I met a lot of great people, and to this day I'm glad I did it.

There are a lot of different opportunities out there that don't require having to deal directly with technology, so go get away from it for a while.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#80
first, where are you?

I have found that moving to the valley can be very inspiring... I know this isn't a social hobby, and I myself am an introvert (though maybe not quite as introverted as many of the better people I know.) living in a place where there are other people excited about this work can change your perspective a lot.

I guess my other piece of advice, from the time when I was burnt out is to try to get a job in another field for a while. I know for me, the low pay and high expectations for things like showing up on time meant that I got over my burnout pretty goddamn quick.

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