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Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

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Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#51
Congratulations! Discovering the giant treadmill is a huge achievement.

Now You should accept the facts, step out from it, relax and fall in love with something still unknown and unexplored, and doing it just for fun. Or just fro lulz in a newspeak. ^_^

Today Open source is just another name of business. The next evolutionary step toward literally nothing. So, accept it and relax and try to find something that you could love.

I'm, for example, going trough MIT and Berkeley online courses after 15 years of being UNIX sysadmin and system engineer, without any ambitions to shake the world, just fro lulz.

btw, your question itself contains a big bold cue - just fins a new love. ^_^

You may also try to search in a realms outside CS, but I wouldn't advice you to do so. After so many years spent, it is better to stay in the field.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is good advice, the problem is that you are suffering burn out. !0 years sounds about right. You need to get back to your roots and one way I recommend to do it, is to get into embedded. It gets you back into a small reward loop where little things net positive feedback. The other thing that I recommend to people is get closer to a research discipline. If you are really that burnt out, try applying your trade to…

How do you suggest getting started with embedded programming?

Spark fun has a good set of tutorials that cover all of the basics.

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorials.php

The nice part about their tutorial is they take you through all of the details such as building you own PCB and other items where some of the kits have all of the electronics built for you. It depends on your interest but I find designing the electronics to be as rewarding as actually programming a micro-controller. I am also the kind of guy that likes to understand ever small detail as well.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#53
>the constant mental treadmill that comes with working in most IT department

I think: >my honeymoon with computers and IT seems to be over

should read: >my honeymoon with IT seems to be over

Be careful not to confound a distaste with IT with a distaste for computing in general. Thinking about negatives in a global terms rather than a specific terms is one the key depressive thought patterns.

Thinking about a negative as a global\general state is highly destructive: I did bad on this test, because I suck at studying\am dumb. The end result is learned helplessness.

Thinking about a negative as a specific event allows you to view problems as solvable: I did bad on this test, but it was because I didn't study or prepare enough in this specific incident. The end result is positive, you will study more in the future.

From your post it is clear you are getting stuck in the former thought pattern, I wish you the best of luck getting out of it.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#54
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I think the "loop" is indeed moving on. The last real mini-revolution this side of the line probably were torrents. The whole social web is just wrong. It's centralized. It's not the web - it is a corruption of it. It is like the great minds who could design truly de-centralized, robust, reliable and truly social structures have all just vanished. There are so many difficult and important problems around but no one w…

This sounds like something to look into. Are there any resources in particular that you can recommend?

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#55
I am around your age and have had similar feelings lately.

I had a Tomy Tutor, and IBM XT, a PS/2 Model 50,a 486DX-33, and others. I started on BBSs in 7th grade.

I've always felt, the majority of those that make it big, get out of the game. We've seen some come back (Paypal mafia), but I feel the majority of the talent exits the industry.

With each cycle of this, we are left with a different group, which I think explains the "chrome" you mentioned.

We saw the dot-com bubble firsthand, and maybe we want to be part of that again? Of course, it was never really sustainable, but the optimism and salaries of the 1990s were nothing to scoff at.

Now, to see again, approx. 15 years later, the same 640x480 screens we grew up with, in cellphones, so we can watch movies while we drive or walk down the street.

We were optimistic about the year 2000 since birth, and looking back, some promised devices are beginning to emerge, like multi-touch input devices and sleek tablets.

The majority of the innovation and technology we evolved with, is now used to license consumers digital goods.

The internet and computers are mainstream now and it is mostly about money. Some BBS operators did it for the money, but the majority did it for the love.

When we were kids, we could stay up until the wee hours of the morning exploring with our PCs, while our parents took care of us. Now we must pay our own bills, and developing software as a job can do this, but when you get home, you don't want to work more.

Some coders I've worked with have a true obsessive compulsion for writing code. They write code from when they wake up to when they go to sleep. Others need to take breaks.

As many others have mentioned, take a break (if you can afford it). Otherwise, you may have to take a lower-paying job in a different industry and trim some expenses, but the mental health aspect could be worth it.

IMHO, the most amazing advancement to come out of any of this is... http://www.khanacademy.org/

Maybe get involved with Khan? That is the one site on the internet that gives me hope this technology can and will be used for progress.

Thank you for posting this. Lot's of valuable insight from everybody.

NO CARRIER

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#56
I was in the same position as you about 3 years ago. You know what I did? Quit my job sold my house and went traveling for a year.it literally took 3 months of travel and quiet contemplation before I was able to start thinking creatively and having fun.

If you can, take a long chunk of time off and go away (this is tough to do if you have a family). You can get so beat down, and stuck in the 'don't think just do' mindset from working a job, and that's not so easy to fix.

Since coming back I've started my own business, and while I'm not rolling in money I reserve at least 50%! of my time for creative projects (which right now happens to be a. Ruby on rails beer site) and I'm more excited about technology than I ever was.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#57
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I actually probably have nearly the same history as you. Graduated about the same time as you. Been fascinated with computing as long as you. And just about as fed up with the current state of things as you. I think the difference between us is I've got some notoriety so I'm looking to at least try to tear down the current situation before I get out of here. I figure might as well give it a shot, and if it doesn't wo…

The hard part here, of course, is coming up with something else to do. While basically sound advise, after years of a wakeup-work-eat-bed cycle while worrying about the negative content of the bank account, thinking around a corner is hard, let alone thinking outside the box. But I'll try not to force the issue and see what comes up.

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#58
post #40

I think the "loop" is indeed moving on. The last real mini-revolution this side of the line probably were torrents. The whole social web is just wrong. It's centralized. It's not the web - it is a corruption of it. It is like the great minds who could design truly de-centralized, robust, reliable and truly social structures have all just vanished. There are so many difficult and important problems around but no one w…

This sounds like something to look into. Are there any resources in particular that you can recommend?

Sure. [2] talks about reprap's philosophy and is a good a place as any to start. Not many are talking about this yet but this is the new revolution. It has to be!

[1] http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page

[2] http://vimeo.com/5202148

[3] http://www.makerbot.com/

[4] http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/06/cheap-portable-perso.ht...

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing#Comparison_of_3D_pr...

[6] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=350708

[7] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1061260

[8] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=760466

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#59

Strangely enough, this happened to me 4 years ago. I think they called it middle age crisis? Anyways, what I did then was switched from being in IT field to aquaculture. I built a fish farm, raised some fish, learn all about aquaculture, built a profitable little business. And yet... something techies deep inside me keeps stirring. The need to create something shiny and new and the feeling I get when I say "I made th…

Wow, that sounds amazing. How on earth do you get started with something like that?

Re: Ask HN: After almost 30 years the romance is over - What now?

#60
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There are several big things you didn't mention, AI and neural networks, for example. You could also try robotics and engineering stuff (watching how a piece of silicon and metal becomes alive is priceless).

This is good advice, the problem is that you are suffering burn out. !0 years sounds about right. You need to get back to your roots and one way I recommend to do it, is to get into embedded. It gets you back into a small reward loop where little things net positive feedback. The other thing that I recommend to people is get closer to a research discipline. If you are really that burnt out, try applying your trade to…

How do you suggest getting involved in Bio-Engineering. I'm a programmer, I've applied to a few opportunities but no one has replied :-(
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