I don't see this as a realistic threat, because it seems like it'd be so easy to abuse that merely swamping the detection system with everything we can find will be so disruptive to politicians themselves that if they're stupid enough to pass it, they'll reverse it just as quickly. E.g a suitable attack would be to claim every tweet, press release and speech from every politician and watch them deal with being censored.
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#33The quoted article discussed yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17260148.
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#34Would this speed up movement towards decentralised, p2p services? If you can't point to the entity that is hosting the content because it's decentralised (think dat, ipfs, your favourite blockchain technology or p2p network), can it even be enforced?
On a decentralized, p2p service, the entity that's hosting the content is "everyone". That is, everyone who is a part of the network could be held responsible, either directly (for distributing the content) or indirectly (for being part of a service which does not have a mechanism to follow the law forbidding distribution of the content).
We have to get the governments part of this service (say, if there'll be a service that replaces http, and the governments want to provide digital services to their citizens then they'll have no way around it), so they host the content themselves, then they sue themselves and shut down and we'll be a free society once again.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
But was that with the amendment introduced on 25 May? The original article says the proposal was introduced on GDPR Day, I assume that means 25 May. That blog post was last updated on 25 May. Was that before or after they had taken the temperature for MEPs' stance on this new proposal?
She has an updated post here: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/ Quote: > It currently looks like there is a razor-thin majority in favor of Article 13
Thank you for the link.
Is it possible this is a negotiation ploy? Introduce something outrageous, so people will focus on that, then 'give in' on that proposal just before the vote, it will be seen as a victory when the main bill - without the proposal - is passed, despite the bill itself being heavily flawed in its own right.
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#36Doe the EU parliament have recall provisions for ministers? Put every sponsor and yes voting MEP up for recall.
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#37Seems like this is even less thought out than SOPA and ACTA. It's only a pity there is not a comparable banner and outage campaign for this as there was for those. Made them impossible to miss and just about everyone knew of them. Ensured all the politicians were getting dozens of calls. Above all it worked. Dozens of non-US sites joined in. This time around? A few news pieces on tech sites have cropped up otherwise…
SOPA and Net Neutrality got the benefit of US-based partisan PACs funding PR staff (which translates into blog/news article volume) and social media posting/resharing/upvote bots. If it's policy made by the EU those organizations do not activate.
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#38It links to a page to call "my MEP" by Mozilla that will call me and have me say some dull words to them. Has anyone done that? I'd rather know who my MEP is, call them, and personally explain them the issue. Any idea how to figure out who "my MEP" is and call them?
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#39That placement of comma is apocalyptically stupid, one. (If I am wrong and that's actually acceptable, please convince me otherwise.)
I'd edited the title for length and, stupidly, retained a now, redundant comma.
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#40Would this speed up movement towards decentralised, p2p services? If you can't point to the entity that is hosting the content because it's decentralised (think dat, ipfs, your favourite blockchain technology or p2p network), can it even be enforced?
> If you can't point to the entity that is hosting the content because it's decentralised (think dat, ipfs, your favourite blockchain technology or p2p network), can it even be enforced? Yes. This "if a law becomes difficult to enforce, law enforcement will just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" meme is fiction. History suggests the law will become stricter towards end users and mercurial in its enforcement.
Yes. You get selective enforcement against dissidents.
And you don't get to decide you're a dissident: the method they'll use will surprise you!