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Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by alexgmcm »

robertAngst wrote: post #124
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

This sounds like those cities do not have an educated/skilled workforce. Sure there are spots near the Roman forum you would expect to have lots of tourists(basically inside the Aurellian walls). But outside of that its a 20+ minute drive for a tourist to popular areas. If a 50$ airbnb is beating out a $1,000/mo rent its because people cannot afford $1000 in rent. We host an airbnb ourselves, lots of business travele…

I live in Barcelona where there is a big issue due to Airbnb. I moved here from the UK and I work in Data Science so I'm not like a janitor or something.

The problem is that Airbnb will charge maybe 80-120 euros a night for an apartment depending on size, location etc. And I am paying 750 euros a month.

So a landlord can make more money from a week of Airbnb than a month of normal rental.

In the three years I have been here the rents have risen probably 15% or so - it means even with promotions and pay rises you just keep up.

Ironically London also has an insane rental market so moving back wouldn't help much...

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

As someone who grew up in a tourist area I support governments and communities that fight tooth and nail to not have a proliferation of tourism friendly housing (at the expense of the rental market no less) or allow other things that increase the market share of tourism relative to other local industries. When tourism is a large local industry it has tons of negative effects on the community that generally result in local government that doesn't have much reason to do a good job doing what it should do and plenty of reason to do things it shouldn't. It's bad in the short term that get made worse over generations.

edit: Yes I know I didn't provide any specific examples and that this viewpoint will be foreign to those of you who go somewhere for vacation and think it seems nice (yes, that's the point, to seem nice enough to get you to spend your money here, that doesn't mean it's actually nice or nice for the people that live there).

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by pixl97 »

DINKDINK wrote: post #68

“The government knows how to segregate us properly” And “Everything will be cheaper by limiting people the ability to trade”

Me: Then get rid of zoning laws first.

Property owners: OMFG! it's the end of the world, what about my property prices!

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by nngrey »

pmiller2 wrote: post #154
lechiffre10 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AirBnB is already very strict with landlords: it needs to start being a lot stricter with its users too." It's not as strict with landlords as it should be. And while it is strict with users it actually favors landlords and by a landslide. Have you ever rented long term with AirBnB? Hosts can literally cancel the reservation for any reason( Airbnb says they punish for doing so but rarely if ever because the Host can…

The last few times I was tempted to use Airbnb for stays of around a week, I found the price to be comparable to hotels in the area. I ended up getting a hotel, because I wanted my stay to be managed by professionals.

I'm also doubtful about the management of hosts. Yesterday, an Airbnb Superhost cancelled my upcoming reservation without explanation. I booked with a hotel and saved about $25. Airbnb has been my first choice for awhile. I think it is going to be my back up choice for the near future.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by Xylakant »

xapata wrote: post #143
Sangermaine wrote: post #128

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>I can't wrap my mind around people that think that 'too many tourists' or 'too many jobs' are a problem. Step outside of theoretical economic thought experiments and try living in a formerly quiet neighborhood or building suddenly experiencing an influx of loud drunk littering assholes. Residential areas are desired as residential areas for a reason. I live in NYC and sure as hell don't want to live around Times Squ…

The correct way to handle those problems is to enforce noise and litter regulations. If your owner-neighbor is rowdy, it's no different than if their guests are rowdy.

Neighbor stays and is subject to enforcement, AirBnB guest leaves and isn’t.

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Post by Anderkent »

toasterlovin wrote: post #136
Anderkent wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not call the police?

Because the police can generally only do something at a threshold that is significantly more disruptive than your typical rowdy and obnoxious neighbor.

Not sure about that location, but around here they might not actually do anything the first time you call it in, but if it happens regularly they will talk to the landlord.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by indigochill »

Fede_V wrote: post #123
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

I can't wrap my mind around people that think that 'too many tourists' or 'too many jobs' are a problem. Those are 'problems' that most cities in the world would kill for: if we consider them problems it's because we are not nearly creative enough to take advantage of them. As a simple example: if we have too many tourists, give a progressive daily tax that's charged to every visitor that automatically includes museu…

In Reykjavik "too many tourists" is very much a problem. Or more specifically, the ratio of tourists to available housing.

Sure, there are solutions. There's a huge housing bubble right now (which will collapse whenever tourism dries up), for instance. Maybe if it keeps on this way some legislation will be passed to get it under control.

But both of those solutions are completely out of the hands of the people who actually can't afford to live in the city where they work.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by decebalus1 »

Fede_V wrote: post #123
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

I can't wrap my mind around people that think that 'too many tourists' or 'too many jobs' are a problem. Those are 'problems' that most cities in the world would kill for: if we consider them problems it's because we are not nearly creative enough to take advantage of them. As a simple example: if we have too many tourists, give a progressive daily tax that's charged to every visitor that automatically includes museu…

> 'too many tourists' or 'too many jobs' are a problem

Don't convolute these two things in order to influence readers. One does not necessarily imply the other. Venice would not 'kill' for more tourists and most cities in the world would probably 'kill' for a certain amount of tourism but not for couch tourism which indirectly favors real estate speculators buying housing for short-term rent and driving the locals away.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by rpearl »

iandanforth wrote: post #86
tnolet wrote: post #64

In Amsterdam they already set the limit of allowed rental days per year to 30. Just last month the new city council announced they will completely forbid AirBnB in certain neighbourhoods. As someone who studied and worked most of his life in Amsterdam I welcome these measures a lot.

Nimbyism at its best.

Usually nimbyism refers to residential property clashes: people who don't want more housing "in their backyard" because it blocks their view, don't want lower income housing because of worries about crime or property values, etc.

It doesn't really refer to "I don't want to live next to an unregulated hotel"

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by soperj »

StavrosK wrote: post #153
soperj wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the market worked very well before it That's specifically what I was replying to. I live(and rent) in a city that is tourist based and less affordable because of airb&b and the like. It has a vacancy rate of under 1%. So i completely understand what you're saying. I just disagree that the market for staying somewhere worked well before airb&b.

Oh, I see. Maybe, I don't really have experience with traveling with a family.

If you have 3 children, you have to rent two hotel rooms. Also when your kids bedtime is 7:30, having 1 room with two beds just sucks.
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