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Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by ng12 »

StavrosK wrote: post #115
Fede_V wrote: post #102

I think this is an interesting and unintended consequence of AirBnB not investing nearly on filtering their users. AirBnB obviously was interested in getting their product used by as many people as people (growth at all costs) - but this had the effect of getting a lot of young, cost conscious people to take holidays in area that were traditionally residential. While most AirBnB renters are polite and respectful, eno…

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

> the market worked very well before it

I don't think AirBnB was the cause of the Greek debt crisis.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by jaytong »

Thriptic wrote: post #127
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

I can't speak to this problem in tourist destinations or Europe generally as I don't have enough data to have an opinion, but I frequently see Airbnb blamed for high housing costs in some American cities and it strikes me as being a bunch of bullshit. Sure Airbnb doesn't help the rental problem and it is a contributor to rising rents, but the primary problem isn't Airbnb, it's lack of supply of high density apartment…

and to top it all off, the zoning laws in some cities...

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by xevb3k »

StavrosK wrote: post #119
soperj wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on who you are. It worked terribly for people with young families or families that were over 4 people.

Why? Can those families find housing more easily?

Hotels suck for families is what the comment is trying to say I think.

With young kids, you often what your own cooking/food preparation facilities. Sleep arrangements are often easier in a house too.

Ironically, it seems like hotels with food preparation areas are more common in Japan (weekly mansion/business type hotels).

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by wyck »

Fede_V wrote: post #102

I think this is an interesting and unintended consequence of AirBnB not investing nearly on filtering their users. AirBnB obviously was interested in getting their product used by as many people as people (growth at all costs) - but this had the effect of getting a lot of young, cost conscious people to take holidays in area that were traditionally residential. While most AirBnB renters are polite and respectful, eno…

Not true in Canada, AirBnB breaks municipal and in some cases provincial laws for short term rentals. Thousands of houses are in no rent zones and AirBnB knows damn well. The tactic to combat these rentals is to use provincial & city inspectors who levy huge taxes and prohibit short-term rentals with the landlords, but they are very understaffed and generally ineffective.

AirbNB is getting away with very grey legal area here, they should he held legally accountable for facilitating illegal rentals. Right now my tax dollars are paying for the government to enforce what AirBnB sells without impunity.

On a personal note I'm thinking of pursuing this legally with AirBnB and/or my city, my street has 4 illegal AirBnB rentals on it and my city can't see to enforce their own laws. There's enough interest in my region to easily get about 30 people on board, and that's just one semi small town.

And we don't blame the users of AirBnB, they dont know the local laws, we blame the landlords and ultimately the platform.

I know in west coast tourism destinations you will practically get beat up if your renting out to airBnB illegally since it has such a negative effect on local housing prices.

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Post by lechiffre10 »

Fede_V wrote: post #102

I think this is an interesting and unintended consequence of AirBnB not investing nearly on filtering their users. AirBnB obviously was interested in getting their product used by as many people as people (growth at all costs) - but this had the effect of getting a lot of young, cost conscious people to take holidays in area that were traditionally residential. While most AirBnB renters are polite and respectful, eno…

"AirBnB is already very strict with landlords: it needs to start being a lot stricter with its users too." It's not as strict with landlords as it should be. And while it is strict with users it actually favors landlords and by a landslide. Have you ever rented long term with AirBnB? Hosts can literally cancel the reservation for any reason( Airbnb says they punish for doing so but rarely if ever because the Host can provide any reason) If you happen to be in a city that doesn't have as many Airbnbs and you get a really good deal, you're screwed if the host decides to cancel. Costs for Airbnb's have also gone up significantly that it's often not even worth it to rent one if you happen to be less than a group of 4 people.

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Post by toasterlovin »

Anderkent wrote: post #111
Xylakant wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had an illegal AirBNB in our building in Berlin. Some guests were ill-behaved and partied all night. The person renting the flat was unavailable. You had no recourse short of calling the police. I’d be very much fine with a hotel or an old-fashioned BnB in the building where staff or a responsible person is available to take care of and discipline misbehaving guests. You can call that NIMBYism, but yeah, no unregu…

So why not call the police?

Because the police can generally only do something at a threshold that is significantly more disruptive than your typical rowdy and obnoxious neighbor.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by StavrosK »

Thriptic wrote: post #127
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

I can't speak to this problem in tourist destinations or Europe generally as I don't have enough data to have an opinion, but I frequently see Airbnb blamed for high housing costs in some American cities and it strikes me as being a bunch of bullshit. Sure Airbnb doesn't help the rental problem and it is a contributor to rising rents, but the primary problem isn't Airbnb, it's lack of supply of high density apartment…

The situation in Greece is very different, as everything is a highrise (sadly, because we tore down a lot of beautiful centuries-old antique villas to do that). The situation used to be much better, but the start of the problem coincides suspiciously with the rise of AirBnB, and you'd expect housing prices to drop in a recession, not rise.

That's why I think it's fair to blame AirBnB for that. We'll see what happens in Tokyo, Madrid and other cities where they're severely restricting usage.

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Post by toasterlovin »

iandanforth wrote: post #86
tnolet wrote: post #64

In Amsterdam they already set the limit of allowed rental days per year to 30. Just last month the new city council announced they will completely forbid AirBnB in certain neighbourhoods. As someone who studied and worked most of his life in Amsterdam I welcome these measures a lot.

Nimbyism at its best.

I think it's important to draw a distinction between outsiders who do not have a long-term interest in how a city or community functions and residents who do have such a long-term interest. Outsiders have, in my opinion, no legitimate claim to being considered stakeholders in government regulations. Resident, however, do.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by StavrosK »

xevb3k wrote: post #133
StavrosK wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Can those families find housing more easily?

Hotels suck for families is what the comment is trying to say I think. With young kids, you often what your own cooking/food preparation facilities. Sleep arrangements are often easier in a house too. Ironically, it seems like hotels with food preparation areas are more common in Japan (weekly mansion/business type hotels).

Yes, but I'm saying "AirBnB sucks for people living in the city" and you're saying "it's great for if you want to travel there".

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Post by StavrosK »

robertAngst wrote: post #124
StavrosK wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sorry. AirBnB is creating immense problems in tourist destinations, to the point where people in major cities in Greece (and other countries) are having trouble finding affordable permanent housing. Barcelona and Rome are overrun with tourists, and it's killing the cities. AirBnB should just go away, the market worked very well before it, even if things were a bit more expensive.

This sounds like those cities do not have an educated/skilled workforce. Sure there are spots near the Roman forum you would expect to have lots of tourists(basically inside the Aurellian walls). But outside of that its a 20+ minute drive for a tourist to popular areas. If a 50$ airbnb is beating out a $1,000/mo rent its because people cannot afford $1000 in rent. We host an airbnb ourselves, lots of business travele…

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but nobody is going to be able to afford to pay hotel rates for their permanent residence.
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