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Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Good riddance. I live in rented accommodation in Japan. A couple of years ago an Airbnb was set up next door and it was a nightmare. People coming and going at all hours, large groups of drunk holiday-makers having loud parties into the night, drinking and smoking on the balcony. After multiple calls to the owner of the apartment and the police the situation was finally resolved.

I definitely think Airbnb should have the limitation that you can only rent out a place you actively live in.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

#33

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Why not just comply with the laws? I have a friend who did this, but in tourist-y cities this was turning into situations where a person would rent out 10 apartments at $2k/mo and rent them on at $300 a night. A great business, but if you live in a block with constant travellers then I guess it can get super annoying fast.

Also pretty annoying when you can't find a place to rent, because the apartments start getting taken over by "enterpreneurs" such as your friend.

You say "entrepreneur", but I don't see anything wrong with the approach -- as long as you follow the laws.

Often the solution the the problem is that you start buying the properties rather than renting them, which means profits per unit will be (much) higher (but you will also need additional capital to support that). Or you buy an entire block with 5 or 10 apartments; then there should be no complaints.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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That's a great example that clearly demonstrates that local law can be enforced, even on companies like AirBnb. I hear lots of arguments on "You can't enforce the ban", but it's simpler than ever to just do that.

Yeah. There's effectively never been Uber or similar in Japan either. People just respect regulations and they generally do work very well.

> People just respect regulations and they generally do work very well.

Except when the regulations are inappropriate or protect the incumbents instead of promoting experimentation and innovation. There's a reason Japan is lagging behind in almost everything these days compared to its neighbors in Asia.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Also pretty annoying when you can't find a place to rent, because the apartments start getting taken over by "enterpreneurs" such as your friend.

That, and the price inflation sucks. I am going to look at a former AB&B property to rent today. The ludicrous price will be discussed, if they are unwilling to negotiate, the place will likely stay empty for the summer months(AZ, in a tourist oriented corner of the valley).

Isn't that just always the case with a common tourist destination?

If I can rent out 12 months at $1,000 (= $12k), vs 150 / 200 days at $150 (= $22.5-30k) then as a property owner you have a decision to make. Short term lets are more work, but more profitable.

They'll likely not care it stays empty, because it's to be expected that on some dates and months it will not be rented out.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Similar discussions are ongoing in lots of cities. In Edinburgh they're trying to pre-empt this a bit with voluntary restrictions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-4... AirBnb creates "bad neighbours" by putting lots of tourists, some of whom behave badly, in formerly residential locations. It creates a whole new set of absentee landlords. If it were restricted to renting out places where th…

This is the approach taken in London: Anyone can AirBnB their property, but only for 90 days a year, unless you have special permission. This prevents people buying up/renting flats just to let them out on AirBnB and putting pressure on the already cripplingly bad housing situation.

That seems reasonable. The social good of AirBnB is lowering the barrier to increase property utilization.

Classifying people into commercial and "sometimes" renters makes sense. If you want your business to be bigger, comply with more regulations.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the approach taken in London: Anyone can AirBnB their property, but only for 90 days a year, unless you have special permission. This prevents people buying up/renting flats just to let them out on AirBnB and putting pressure on the already cripplingly bad housing situation.

Isn’t this just ignored largely?

IIRC it is enforced AirBnB side, so you can't rent too many days through them without providing the documentation needed to gain an exception.

But this doesn't stop you using other services. While non have the same inertia and awareness amongst the public as AirBnB there are several so it is easy to get around the limit by using several providers who don't talk to each other.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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Similar discussions are ongoing in lots of cities. In Edinburgh they're trying to pre-empt this a bit with voluntary restrictions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-4... AirBnb creates "bad neighbours" by putting lots of tourists, some of whom behave badly, in formerly residential locations. It creates a whole new set of absentee landlords. If it were restricted to renting out places where th…

I live in London and a couple of years ago several of my neighbours had their flats on Airbnb, then my upstairs neighbour got married, moved out and had his flat on Airbnb, that was a massive burden on us as we suddenly went from one quiet neighbour from never knowing who was going to be living there to lots and lots of noise and weekend afterparties, luckily our council took action but only after my next door neighbour also complained. Then I was priced out of where I had been living for 6 years, and it drove me mental seeing all those flats near me advertised as whole flats on Airbnb and realising I’d have to move further out.

I have pledged to never stay in an Airbnb, ever and tell my friends they shouldn’t rent a whole place either.

Re: Nearly 80% of Japan’s Airbnbs removed in response to new home-share law

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This Redditor offers one plausible cause/reason [0]: > This may not be a popular opinion here but I totally understand the concern. There had been a huge increase in transient international visitors being introduced to residential areas that previously did not have to deal with that. Having a constant stream of strangers coming and going in your building is not something many residents feel comfortable with. Also: >…

That's a valid concern. But seems to be something better handled by local ordinances and not the sort of thing a national government shoulf need to drop the hammer down on... In my opinion.
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